Religion: Real or Fake

[MOBIUS]

nuts that is too harsh...more like mislead.

So, the people of the First Church of Christ are nuts/mislead? They're basically believing in the wrong thing? Does that mean that they won't go to heaven when they die?

[Jon Miller]

It is not my duty to disprove your claims Jon.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Present your evidence.

How is the claim that my Religious claims and the claims of Science are not contradictory an extraordinary claim? I have spent a lot of time thinking about what I believe.

A lot of other well known and famous (living) scientists, among them Freeman Dyson, Polkinghome, Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Barrow, Francis Collins, Jim Gates, Stephen Barr, Martin Nowak, John Lennox, Donald Knuth have done similarly. I could keep going on and on....

You are being entirely unreasonable. You can't just ignore, out of hand, such people and maintain that the claims of Religion and Science are inherently incompatible.

Your extraordinary claim requires some extraordinary evidence. Please provide.

JM

[Docfeelgood]

This sounds like another person trying to dodge our questions. Religious people, if you are so sure God exists, prove it! Otherwise, what is it that you are basing this seemingly blind faith on...?

I don't think GOD can be proven with the scientific methods.

[Docfeelgood]

So, the people of the First Church of Christ are nuts/mislead? They're basically believing in the wrong thing? Does that mean that they won't go to heaven when they die?

not my place to make judgment on ones soul.

[Wezil]

why?

Because it is useless. I'd rather spend my last moments thinking of my family not some imaginary being.

have nothing to lose?

Aside from your last moments alive?

[Docfeelgood]

I hope will all go to heaven.
even the bad ones.

[MOBIUS]

why?
have nothing to lose?

**** praying, why would I want to look weak in my hour of need? There is always hope, luck, perseverence etc...

I bet loads of people were praying to their gods when the tsunami came for them - fat lot of good that did!

[Jon Miller]

This sounds like another person trying to dodge our questions. Religious people, if you are so sure God exists, prove it! Otherwise, what is it that you are basing this seemingly blind faith on...?

You could at least respond to my response, rather than giving the same old, stupid, responded to 'points' over and over and over and over and over again.

JM

[Wezil]

How is the claim that my Religious claims and the claims of Science are not contradictory an extraordinary claim? I have spent a lot of time thinking about what I believe.

A lot of other well known and famous (living) scientists, among them Freeman Dyson, Polkinghome, Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Barrow, Francis Collins, Jim Gates, Stephen Barr, Martin Nowak, John Lennox, Donald Knuth have done similarly. I could keep going on and on....

You are being entirely unreasonable. You can't just ignore, out of hand, such people and maintain that the claims of Religion and Science are inherently incompatible.

Your extraordinary claim requires some extraordinary evidence. Please provide.

JM

Shall I post a list of atheist scientists? OR perhaps a list of Scientologists since we seem to be deferring to others?

[Docfeelgood]

Because it is useless. I'd rather spend my last moments thinking of my family not some imaginary being.



Aside from your last moments alive?

indulge me.
Lets say you were in dire need.
you prayed and your dire need was gone and you were alive.
Would you give thanks to GOD?
I know this is hard to give a honest answer but.........?
Would you?

[MOBIUS]

I don't think GOD can be proven with the scientific methods.

Screw science, I'm talking about good old fashioned empiric methods!

If he was happy stomping around and meddling in people's affairs back in the day when news was carried by word of mouth and therefore couldn't be independently varified, why is he suddenly so coy and elusive now when it could be argued his people need him more than ever...!?

[Wezil]

I have no intention of engaging in a multipage argument on BS Jon. I haven't the time or inclination for it. Some subjects will do it, but not this. I've no use for the "that's not what my faith is" and "you don't understand" routine.

[giblets]

**** praying, why would I want to look weak in my hour of need? There is always hope, luck, perseverence etc...

I bet loads of people were praying to their gods when the tsunami came for them - fat lot of good that did!

God has a plan (killing innocent people with a tsunami for no reason) so why would he change it? Besides he already knew they were going to freely choose to beg for mercy because he's omniscient.

[Jon Miller]

Shall I post a list of atheist scientists? OR perhaps a list of Scientologists since we seem to be deferring to others?

Most atheist scientists, the only exception I can think of at the moment is Dawkins, do not believe that the claims of Religion and the claims of Science are in inherent opposition. Your response is not a counter to my argument at all, even if you had a list of scientists who thought that the claims of Religion and the claims of Science were in inherent opposition.

Are you able to think rationally on this subject at all?

JM

[MOBIUS]

You could at least respond to my response, rather than giving the same old, stupid, responded to 'points' over and over and over and over and over again.

JM

You mean your response to avoid my original question?