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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post1. Why would they search your phone for punching a hockey fan?
2. Any incriminating evidence discovered from the phone would not be valid as evidence to prosecute a different crime."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Asher View PostWhy would that be? It's not like they need a warrant to search the phone... it's no different than the police "getting a lead" any other way sans warrant, is it not? Ie, looking through open windows.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThey need a court warrant to arrest and perform a search for the other crime, which requires valid evidence.
If it's in their possession and it does not require a warrant to search it, why do they need a warrant to search it?
Do you think we should apply standard evidence rules to EVERYTHING the cops do? Do you also believe that criminals should never be arrested? These two things are roughly equivalent."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Asher View PostIsn't the whole point that they don't require a warrant for phones?
If it's in their possession and it does not require a warrant to search it, why do they need a warrant to search it?If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostOnly after they've already arrested you! And only in the crime for which they arrested you!
You really think that's how it'd play out?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Asher View PostSo you're saying if they arrest you for dangerous driving, and they search your phone and find a treasure trove of kiddy porn, they'd not be able to do anything?
You really think that's how it'd play out?If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I've never been arrested either, but I've met a few cops who've ****ed me around and abused their power."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostAsher still doesn't understand when and why search powers are problematic...
I'm sure the protection against unreasonable search and seizure is quite problematic for authorities. As is the fact that they can't* arbitrarily detain people they think are fishy.
* except the US does this anyway"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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It's obvious to any thinking person that cops can pretty much only do two things: harass criminals and harass innocents, and any time they aren't doing the former they're pretty much guaranteed to be doing the latter.
xpost, responding to #39 and #41
edit: oh, and frequently harassing "criminals" is just as bad when you have idiotic laws against e.g. drugs, prostitution, immigration
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Originally posted by Asher View PostProblematic depends on your perspective.
I'm sure the protection against unreasonable search and seizure is quite problematic for authorities. As is the fact that they can't* arbitrarily detain people they think are fishy.
* except the US does this anyway
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostBig whoosh, since I was using "problematic" in the same sense as you would."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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