Possibly black people excite less sympathy. Also, we haven't been hearing about Sudan for decades.
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Wait, he was asking about the UN, wasn't he? I guess that's because there are a bunch of Arab countries in the UN who piss and moan about Israel as a hobby, while most of Sudan's neighbors just want it to be over.
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Yes, this is another example of just how ****ed the US is.Originally posted by Sirotnikov View PostYes, but they gain far more from it the way it is.
The military aid has to be used with American companies, so it's practically subsidizing US defense companies.
And no, that's not any better."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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No.Originally posted by Sirotnikov View PostConsider, for instance, if someone denies the right of a Jewish state to exist, while supporting the exact same thing for the Palestinians. It's effectively biased against Jewish people.
Many people don't "deny the right of a Jewish state to exist", they're just upset the land was taken by force and designated as such. In wanting to return the land to the people before Israel existed, it's not anti-Semitism. It's just what Israelis like to shriek at the top of their lungs.
"You oppose Israel? You are biased against Jews! You are biased against Jews? YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE! ANTI-SEMITE! ANTI-SEMITE! THIS GUY OVER HERE IS AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!""The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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And I attribute the pissing and moaning about Israel by the Arabs to be antisemitism. Reasonable, yes?Originally posted by Elok View PostWait, he was asking about the UN, wasn't he? I guess that's because there are a bunch of Arab countries in the UN who piss and moan about Israel as a hobby, while most of Sudan's neighbors just want it to be over.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Does Sudan exist on land that was arbitrarily taken? Do they frequently assassinate citizens of other countries, openly brag about trying to spread computer viruses controlling nuclear plants, bulldoze people's houses on a regular basis, etc?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostYou don't think anti-semitism is the reason that the UN generates so much hysteria over Israel but not over Sudan? I can't think of any other reasons...
There's a lot of reasons we hear more about Israel. One of them is history, the other is the fact that Israel comes off as an arrogant *******. Nobody likes an arrogant *******, except other arrogant *******s like...well, who is Israel's #1 ally?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Do you realize that Zionism and the Jewish migration to Israel predates its creation by decades? Israel already was something like 20% before the Holocaust even started.Originally posted by Asher View PostNo.
Many people don't "deny the right of a Jewish state to exist", they're just upset the land was taken by force and designated as such. In wanting to return the land to the people before Israel existed, it's not anti-Semitism. It's just what Israelis like to shriek at the top of their lungs.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Do you realize that this doesn't matter?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostDo you realize that Zionism and the Jewish migration to Israel predates its creation by decades?
Maybe I should start a movement for homosexuals and call it Asherism and convince all homosexuals to start migrating to West Virginia. Then we can get our own state and call anyone who doesn't want us to annex West Virginia homophobes.
And before you play the holocaust card, I remind you gays were just as much a target as Jews were."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Okay Asher, you've had your fun. I wonder if Iraq ever struck you as arrogant for invading Kuwait, attempting to assassinate a US president and funding terrorism in other countries? Not to mention brutally repressing its own people and establishing a cult of personality?
No, but that wouldn't fit with your Blame America and Blame Israel synapse.
And when Israel blew up the Osiraq reactor, was viciously criticized for it? Boy, what terrible people--they kept a megalomaniac from getting nukes! Meddlers!If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Yep, Iraq was arrogant. You know why?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
Okay Asher, you've had your fun. I wonder if Iraq ever struck you as arrogant for invading Kuwait, attempting to assassinate a US president and funding terrorism in other countries?
Guess who put Saddam in power."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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No, but that wouldn't fit with your Blame America and Blame Israel synapse.
Are you this naive?
America puts Saddam in power, a move born out of American arrogance. Iraq, under Saddam, commits endless atrocities and invades neighbouring countries.
And THIS doesn't fit with my Blame America motif?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThe United States propped up Saddam when he was fighting the Iran-Iraq war, but he came to power on his own. You should get your facts straight.
Yeah, the US didn't help Saddam at all when he was buddy-buddy with the US even before he came to power in the 60s/70s. He was seen as a valiant anti-communism crusader who gave women additional rights, so the US thought he was an okay guy. You're kidding yourself if you think the US didn't help him get into power."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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So you think homosexuals have fundamental cultural differences with other people of the same race and religion?Originally posted by Asher View PostDo you realize that this doesn't matter?
Maybe I should start a movement for homosexuals and call it Asherism and convince all homosexuals to start migrating to West Virginia. Then we can get our own state and call anyone who doesn't want us to annex West Virginia homophobes.
And before you play the holocaust card, I remind you gays were just as much a target as Jews were.
You and Ben may agree on more things than you realize.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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