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Why do you make a distinction between physical property and intellectual property? Stealing intellectual property does affect other people, and if you can't see how, you fail economics forever.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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It does affect someone else. Look, all people think about when it comes to this stuff are the big name bands and billion-dollar movies. But the vast majority of artists and writers and musicians (including my wife) barely make enough to stay above the poverty line.Originally posted by gribbler View Post"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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How do you "steal" intellectual property? If someone downloads a song without paying for it does someone else lose the song?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostComment
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Someone else loses money. That is theft."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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It costs less than 25 cents to make an intel processor. So by stealing an individual Intel processor, did they really lose that much money?Originally posted by gribbler View Post
Answer: Yes, they lost a few hundred bucks.
It cost millions of dollars to design the processor.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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No, they just don't gain any money. They have the same amount of money before and after the illegal download.Originally posted by Guynemer View PostComment
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Just to make things clear, I'm not attacking the concept of copyright, I just don't like libertarians.Comment
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That's the exact same thing. xpost.
Just to make things clear, I don't like liberals. Would you rather I be socially conservative as well as fiscally conservative?If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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You can be socially liberal and right wing on economic issues without being a "libertarian", fyi.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostComment
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And a longer, more polite reply.
This measure won't change anything. Poisoning eDonkey search results, closing torrent sites can only temporarily slow down the growth of file-sharing, but it won't ever stop it. Close down torrent sites, and people will move to darknets. Outlaw darknets, and people will switch to steganography. No matter what you do, there will always be people with more time than money who will prefer to copy someone else's data instead of buying it from the author or the distributor. Yes, now finding a file to copy will take some more time, but nothing will stop the process. Another way to slow down the process is driving down the temporal and material costs of the "legal" approach. That's what iTunes does. Yet another approach is making you pay for something other than the data you copy. But even doing all this doesn't mean someone won't get screwed.
Blockbuster single-player games are screwed. You can't cut out the middleman (the publisher) to cut down the costs, because few developers have enough money lying around to finance a game like Assassin's Creed 2. You can use draconic anti-piracy measures to increase the temporal costs of copying the game for free and endure the backlash, or you can add achievements and hope peer pressure will do its work, but this won't save them.
Electronic musicians are screwed. You cannot earn anything performing this music live, so you have to rely on you die-hard fans' donations. Good luck finding enough of them.
Reclusive writers are screwed. you've spent five years assembling words into a novel in an old villa in Cornwall? Guess what, anyone can read it for free. You'll have to provide some unique benefits to those who chose to pay for it, other than letting them feel smug about that. You'll need at least answer their letters.Graffiti in a public toilet
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I am most definitely not a libertarian; and you are dead-wrong on this, grib."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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Only if by "libertarian" you mean "libertarian wingnut", which I am not. I am not, for instance, in favor of eliminating the fed or privatizing the police.Originally posted by gribbler View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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There is one solution to piracy, and that is for the provider to adapt.
Take music. The cocky morons in the music business thought they could continue as they always had. Of course they didn't and they payed the price. Now they are beginning to see the light, and the trend has turned. Take myself as an example. I have 120 GB or so of music. Most of it is 100% legal. My family has a huge music collection and I quickly converted much of it to mp3. Then I got a lot of music from friends and family in the form of mp3, which is 100% legal here at least, not sure how it is in the US. Then it was the music I couldn't get hold of, like a collection of Top 100 Billboard hits from the various years. Those I would gladly payed for, but it was not available. So I got them on the web. Reluctantly, as I wanted to buy it, but it wasn't in sale anywhere. I also got some early on because I didn't have the money and it was easy. Those I have deleted now. I decided years ago I wanted to buy mp3, but the morons in the business said "no way", as we all know. Then they used DRM, which I wouldn't allow. Then finally DRM was dropped, and I began to buy on iTunes. Still a bit too costly, but it was acceptable. Then Spotify came. Spotify is GENIOUS. I pay 99 NOK (~15 USD I think) a month for instant access to most music I want, where I want, as long as I have internet access. I even can store playlists locally if I knew I would be without internet. It's pure genious, and I recommend everybody to get it. Finally the industry has got it right. You can also get it free, but then you get less quality, lots of advertisement and loose the ability to play without internet and on your mobile phone.
This works. Books are going in the same direction btw, Galnemer should look into that solution for future books. Self publishing means more money to her too.
Movies and TV series are not there yet, except in the US AFAIK. Not here at least. Movies I buy. The day TV series can be downloaded without DRM, for an okay fee, in good quality and within days after it being first sent, I will quit downloading them from torrent sites and buy them. Right now I must wait a year or two to see American TV series in Norway, or download from torrent sites. Guess what I do...Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
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I'm tired of the posts rationalizing theft and blaming the producers of wealth for the flexible ethics of middle class consumers.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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