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  • #61
    Points I have seen raised so far, ignoring Alby's:

    1. My school is free.

    2. My school offers an extremely large number of AP and college credit classes. The average student takes 6 APs before graduating, as I recall.

    3. Math: Several math classes allow dual enrollment with the nearby George Mason University. All students take at least up to AP Calculus AB, most students take up to either BC calc or AP statistics in math. I am taking Multivariable Calculus and Matrix Algebra this year (I am a senior), so that is the highest I will go in math before graduating.

    4. Science: Most students take at least one AP science before graduating. Popular ones are AP Physics (both E&M and mechanics), AP Biology, and AP Chemistry. The school offers a large number of elective sciences as well, especially in biology: DNA science, neuroscience (which is actually really legit-they do experiments on rat brains and stuff), and biochemistry. We also have really good classes on quantum mechanics and optics.

    5. Technology: Aside from a number of college level CS classes, there's also robotics classes, prototyping, "energy systems", CAD, and electronics. The robotics is pretty good and mainly teaches creative problem solving. The Prototyping classes are like shop++ but also it seems pretty good. The CAD is kind of self explanatory, it actually kind of sucks and is a bit of a joke class. Electronics is really good, we do basic analog and digital electronics and also audio electronics. Energy systems is miscellaneous tech, for instance one project in that class is building a miniature engine and another is designing a balsa wood glider.

    6. Standards of Learning (SOLs): SOLs are incredibly easy and most TJ students think they're stupid. However they are often credited as being one of the reasons that Virginia's schooling system is good relative to the rest of the country. Virginia was ahead of the curve with SOLs, No Child Left Behind made the practice pretty much standard but SOL was around before NCLB, and SOL requires higher standards than NCLB. SOLs are actually not testing the students, they are intended to test teachers. Teachers whose students routinely fail SOLs are fired.

    7. TJ has a pretty crappy budget. The Virginia General Assembly sticks an amendment into the state budget every year requiring Fairfax County not to reduce our funding. The patrons of the amendment (General Assembly name for Congress' sponsors) are always the Northern Virginia delegation. It's kind of strange--the Fairfax County government hates us, but the Virginia government, in particular the Virginia government from NoVA, really likes us.

    EDIT: More on SOLs from wikipedia:
    Results over ten years
    In 1998, the first year of SOL testing, only 2 percent of the Virginia Commonwealth’s public schools met the standard for full accreditation. The percentage of schools meeting the state’s accreditation standards increased to 6.5 percent in 1999, 22 percent in 2000, 40 percent in 2001, 64 percent in 2002, 78 percent in 2003, and 84 percent in 2004.

    In October 2005, the State reported that students in 1,685, or 92 percent, of the Commonwealth’s 1,834 schools received accreditation ratings for 2005-2006, met or exceeded state achievement objectives on Standards of Learning (SOL) tests and other statewide assessments in the four core academic areas.

    The VDOE stopped reporting statewide results in 2006. However, complete results of all assessments in grades 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8, and end-of-course tests for fall, spring, and summer may be found on the School Report Cards.
    NCLB was passed in 2002.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
      US News & World Report says High Point and Northwestern are both better but they're... silver medal schools
      Huh. Are they PG? We were offered ERHS as the only really advanced option. Sort of a nerd lifeboat for the whole county. Not that I especially care; I hated the damned place.
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      • #63
        As for education in the rest of the country, I don't know what it's like. My only experience has been with Tennessee (Nashville area, briefly) and Virginia. Fairfax County Public Schools is apparently one of the very best public school systems in the country.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Elok View Post
          Huh. Are they PG? We were offered ERHS as the only really advanced option. Sort of a nerd lifeboat for the whole county. Not that I especially care; I hated the damned place.
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          • #65
            Again, huh. Either ERHS moved down in the last ten years, or they moved up, or it was all flashy lies. It hardly matters in my case, since I only enrolled in the Science and Tech program to avoid getting the snot beat out of me at Bowie High. My actual interest in science and/or technology was and is quite low, and I don't know if any HS English class actually results in love for, or better skill with, the English language.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              Points I have seen raised so far, ignoring Alby's:
              We also have really good classes on quantum mechanics
              No.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                No.
                Well, ok. We have classes on quantum mechanics that students report as being interesting and informative. It might not measure up to your standards but I think they're probably decent, if not exhaustive or 100% accurate.
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                • #68
                  Actually they were kind of worthless.

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                  • #69
                    I have seen so many physics classes taught in so many contexts that my opinion of the potential value of a given class in a given context is pretty much flawless.
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                    • #70
                      Sounds a lot like my high schools in Utah and Idaho, except you just replace everything with FFA (Future Farmers of America) and release study (time for LDS Seminary).

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by DriXnaK View Post
                        You can still do it through public schools, you just have to go to the local community college through dual enrollment. In fact, dual enrollment beats the **** out of AP courses. I felt sorry for all the high school students that went the AP route.
                        I agree that for most dual enrollment is way better than AP. I did both, and I regret pretty much every class I took at the highschool (my english teacher was awesome though). And they were at lower levels. I really should have just started taking most of my classes at the community college after my 2nd year.

                        But Kuci's high school is quite good, and I would be surprised if their education was worse than that provided by a community college.

                        It is worse than that provided by a good college, but that is to be expected.

                        JM
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                        • #72
                          I agree with KH about the very advanced courses, especially physics. My observation is that you want to retake more advanced courses at your college if your college is any good (even if you had a great highschool).

                          My college accepted AP credit. My physics department didn't really accept AP physics.

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                          • #73
                            Our AP physics teacher used to be a college professor but found it too boring. I don't recall where he taught though.
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                            • #74
                              To be fair, I thought my non-AP high school physics class was more informative and better taught than my college Physics 101 class which was appallingly retarded. My physics professor's contributions to the field were several books on science in pop culture and using pop culture to teach science*. The college textbook was better though but the class itself was beyond dumb. No new material was covered that hadn't already been covered in high school; it was just a matter of refreshing stuff I learned years ago.

                              So judging from that, I suspect HC's physics class is at least as good as a 'third-tier' university's 101 class, if not better.

                              *I'm not kidding. Here's one of his books


                              "Fantastic Voyages: Learning Science Through Science Fiction Films"

                              His classes were beyond crazy. And you suffered if you skipped too many classes because his tests would have questions like "Which of Newton's laws did Superman violate in the clip we watched in class?"

                              KH would probably bang his head into his desk from reading this
                              Last edited by Al B. Sure!; November 19, 2010, 13:19.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                6. Standards of Learning (SOLs): SOLs are incredibly easy and most TJ students think they're stupid. However they are often credited as being one of the reasons that Virginia's schooling system is good relative to the rest of the country. Virginia was ahead of the curve with SOLs, No Child Left Behind made the practice pretty much standard but SOL was around before NCLB, and SOL requires higher standards than NCLB. SOLs are actually not testing the students, they are intended to test teachers. Teachers whose students routinely fail SOLs are fired.
                                Does AP stand for Advanced Program or something else? As far as I understand, all these APs are not covered by and not required for SAT, are they? All the maths APs you have described are not covered by the high school program here in Russia, but we have 11 years of school + 5 years of college instead of 12+4, and I've taken them all in the first college year, so that looks quite compatible.
                                I'm still quite interested in SAT. I've taken different practice tests on that college board website (Maths, Physics, World History and Chemistry), and found all but chemistry trivial. I gave up on Chemistry (and I was goooood at it at school), because the questions were nothing I expected. Here you can expect things like "if you completely oxidise 12 kg of graphite, how many liters and of which gas can you expect to produce?" or "you have substances A, B and C in three unmarked beakers. How can you tell them apart?".
                                But Maths was too easy. I haven't seen our new standardised tests (I know they have 3 sections, and the first one is comparable to SAT in difficulty), but my graduation exam was much harder. And the university admission exam was gruesome. I might be able to dig up some examples.

                                UPD: found a sample of the standard maths exam.
                                http://exam5.ru/modules/publication/article.php?id_cat=3&id=13
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