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  • Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
    Are you suggesting people wouldn't buy nukes if it was A) legal and B) affordable?
    Well, the high cost is part of what makes them a waste of money.

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    • Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
      individuals make better use of their own money than others do on their behalf
      Some do, I'm sure you would, many don't.
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      • Originally posted by MikeH View Post
        Some do, I'm sure you would, many don't.
        Paternalism
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
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        • Originally posted by Nikolai View Post
          I don't know how much of the growth is because of oil and gas sale and how much is because of interest, but here's the numbers of the growth:


          Year Worth 1 Increase Transmission 1 Return 3
          1996 47,8
          1997 113,4 137,2 % 61
          1998 171,8 51,5 % 33 9,25 %
          1999 222,4 29,5 % 24,5 14,5 %
          2000 386,4 73,7 % 150 2,5 %
          2001 613,7 58,8 % 251,5 -2,47 %
          2002 609,0 −0,8 % 124,7 -4,7 %
          2003 845,3 38,8 % 103,9 12,6 %
          2004 1 016,4 20,2 % 138 8,9 %
          2005 1 399,1 37,7 % 220,3 11,1 %
          2006 1 784,0 27,5 % 288,3 7,9 %
          2007 2 019,0 13,2 % 313 4,26 %
          2008 2 275,0 12,7 % 384 -23,3 %
          2009 2 591,32 13,9 %
          2010 2 640,

          1) in billion NOK
          3)Increased market worth in international currency; Source: Norges Bank
          well if they continue to perform like during last 15 years, we will be soon bowing down to our new Norwegian overlords, and not the Chinse

          but I worry not, as Chinese and Norwegians are both commies*, so it's bound to be good, right?

          *evan though I prefer Norwegian form of communism
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          • Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
            Paternalism
            QFT.

            we should not protect banks from their mistakes and allow them to stand on their own two feet.

            oh, wait a minute...
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            • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
              QFT.

              we should not protect banks from their mistakes and allow them to stand on their own two feet.
              What would ever give you the impression that i didn't agree with this?
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
              Ultima Ratio Regum

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              • I also don't see what that has to do with restricting the choices of individuals.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • i thought that you would have something of a vested interest in the survival of the international banking system...
                  "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                  "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                  • Why should he worry about it? It's not threatened.
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                    • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                      i thought that you would have something of a vested interest in the survival of the international banking system...
                      In the survival of the "system" yes. In the survival of individual names, not particularly.

                      A liquidity backstop to prevent runs doesn't introduce moral hazard by any reasonable definition, in my opinion.
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • and why is it not threatened today?

                        edit: x-post in response to dashi
                        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                        • Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                          In the survival of the "system" yes. In the survival of individual names, not particularly.

                          A liquidity backstop to prevent runs doesn't introduce moral hazard by any reasonable definition, in my opinion.
                          after the collapse of lehman bros i think it's reasonable to say that without the massive government intervention which followed, the whole system would have come crashing down.

                          also, wasn't the 'liquidity backstop' an admission that moral hazard no longer exists in the world of international banking, 'too big to fail' etc.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • The whole point of commercial banking is to borrow short and lend long. Without banks to do it, somebody else would, and they would end up being the nexus of liquidity risk. Who is the one infinite source of liquidity? The central bank. Their mandate includes liquidity provisioning for a reason...
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                              after the collapse of lehman bros i think it's reasonable to say that without the massive government intervention which followed, the whole system would have come crashing down.
                              I think it's reasonable to say it might have happened. I don't think it's reasonable to say it would have.

                              also, wasn't the 'liquidity backstop' an admission that moral hazard no longer exists in the world of international banking, 'too big to fail' etc.


                              Banks are individual actors. Moral hazard applies only to individual actors...
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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                              • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                                and why is it not threatened today?

                                edit: x-post in response to dashi
                                Why would it be?

                                It's not the investment banks struggling today. It's BoA, etc.
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