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  • Why Impress Friends?

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/

    For both foragers and farmers, social connections and status relations established as a teen and young adult lasted for a lifetime. So it made great sense to invest in such things.

    In the high-mobility upper-class US today, however, people move from high school to go to college, and then move somewhere else for a job; their investments in earlier friends gain them much less. And it seems like behavior hasn’t updated fully to this new situation – it seems young adults invest too much in developing friendships and local status that they will soon lose.

    Bryan Caplan argues that parents today make a similar mistake in trying too hard to impress friends and family via their parenting style. Bryan argues persuasively that we vastly over-parent today, relative to long term effects on kid outcomes; kids of slacker parents will do just fine, he says.

    When a year ago I worried aloud that slacker parents might look bad to associates, Bryan said that while you should worry about sending good signals to schools and employers, no one who matters cares much about your parenting:

    Almost nothing is at stake … Even if you make a great impression, the rewards are trivial.

    This week I discussed social conformity pressures within “smaller networks of neighbors or coworkers”:

    This is small enough for rumors to tell most everyone about big norm violations, but too big for everyone to know everyone well.

    Bryan commented:

    Modern parents’ depend primarily on the market, not other parents – to meet their needs – and parent-on-parent sanctions are small and sporadic in any case.

    How far Bryan will take this argument? What other common social norms do people worry too much about, because in fact school or work will never know, friends and family hardly notice or care, and neighbors don’t matter? For example, do people worry too much about clothes they wear, or swear words they utter, at home, while shopping, or at the park? Or if someone felt inclined to torture small animals (legally), would informal social sanctions among friends and family really offer little barrier to openly pursuing this hobby? And if animal-torture would go too far, where exactly is the line?
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

  • #2
    Caplan is slightly interesting, but ultimately I think he relies too much on attempting to find shocking statements to defend, and too little on deep thinking.

    I notice you've cited him at least twice in the last couple of days...
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
    Ultima Ratio Regum

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    • #3
      Why Impress Friends?


      Who else are you going to drink with?

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      • #4
        Why would you need friends when you're drinking?
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #5
          Why would you need friends when you're drinking?



          Friends are the difference between being an awesome drinker and an alcoholic.

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          • #6
            ****.
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #7
              Coworkers sort of count as "friends", so just keep drinking at work and you'll be ok.

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              • #8
                I didn't really mind being an alcoholic despite what I told myself. I suppose I should try to change this, considering my circumstances, but not quite yet.
                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                • #9
                  what the **** is going on with you, Hera? You're an obsessive compulsive alcoholic misogynistic racist who has lost his religion?
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • #10
                    He could be making it all up for attention.

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                    • #11
                      Albie wouldn't understand that type of motive...

                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #12
                        Drinking (at least, drinking until you are incoherently drunk)
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                        • #13
                          Kids who have already given up on making the most of life

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                          • #14
                            Drinking

                            Also guys the alcoholism and not yet bit was a clear reference to "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet." by Saint Augustine.

                            Duh.
                            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                              Kids who have already given up on making the most of life
                              Agreed.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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