The amusing thing about this thread is that the definition of the question of morality I was using is the one the philosophy 101 professor had up at the start of our first lecture...
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostThe amusing thing about this thread is that the definition of the question of morality I was using is the one the philosophy 101 professor had up at the start of our first lecture...
I specifically avoided bringing filosofy into it because your predictable response would be "lol filosofy", but I daresay I know more than you about moral philosophy as an academic subject..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Asher View PostThere's a reason he was teaching the 101 course at a school not known for its liberal arts.
Impossible, given your statements about how you think people should be valued in terms of dollars and basic misunderstanding of the concept of morality not as a concept of good and evil/right and wrong, but a concept of economic practicality.
Philosophers from Nietzsche to John Dewey would say you're wrong, Asher."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
Philosophers from Nietzsche to John Dewey would say you're wrong, Asher.
There's a philosopher for every whackjob ideology. Some are even famous or revered."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostDefine good and evil, then, and then explain why I should care about your taxonomy.
As for defining good and evil, why do you continue to ask questions you know to be unanswerable? Do you do it because you're a pompous ass who thinks he's setting a trap for a simpleton, or do you do it because you genuinely do not understand it's not an answerable question?
Everyone has different morals, there are no absolutes. There is no strict definition of good and evil. Stop wasting my time."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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I consider it immoral to murder people.
Most Christians consider it immoral for people to have gay sex.
We all have different moralities. I like to think mine are the best morals, but everyone thinks that about their morals."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Asher, any ethical calculus rooted in consequentialism (which has dominated ethical thinking since Jeremy Bentham) would necessarily have to consider the practicalities of a chosen alternative. You seem to have a deontological conception of ethics which is fine but you have to understand that any value judgments you make about the correctness of an action are purely subjective and arbitrary. At least a teleological ethical system can 'measure' something, usually happiness, and determine an action to be correct if it generated more 'well-being' than non-chosen alternatives.
Of course, this is by it's nature a hindsight system and the idea of happiness having intrinsic value and being something to be aspired to is arbitrary as well. Also problematic is the fact that humans are dealing with uncertain futures and are resource-constrained which prevents an accurate appraisal of the consequences of any particular ethical action. So Kuci's crap is fundamentally flawed as well.
Here's a question for you, Asher: Would you say that there are actions that are categorically wrong?
EDIT: I guess my post isn't really relevant anymore"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostIf you believe this, why did you ever even start arguing about what is moral?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostDude, you're the one asserting 1) that morality is the question of separating good and evil and then 2) going on to argue about the answer."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostAsher, any ethical calculus rooted in consequentialism (which has dominated ethical thinking since Jeremy Bentham) would necessarily have to consider the practicalities of a chosen alternative. You seem to have a deontological conception of ethics which is fine but you have to understand that any value judgments you make about the correctness of an action are purely subjective and arbitrary. At least a teleological ethical system can 'measure' something, usually happiness, and determine an action to be correct if it generated more 'well-being' than non-chosen alternatives.
Of course, this is by it's nature a hindsight system and the idea of happiness having intrinsic value and being something to be aspired to is arbitrary as well. Also problematic is the fact that humans are dealing with uncertain futures and are resource-constrained which prevents an accurate appraisal of the consequences of any particular ethical action.
Here's a question for you, Asher: Would you say that there are actions that are categorically wrong?
EDIT: I guess my post isn't really relevant anymore
I'm not impressed by your words. Your post is pushing me back onto the side of hating liberal arts in universities. You've explained a rather obvious, simple concept with needlessly complex, domain-specific vocabulary."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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You missed something:
Of course, this is by it's nature a hindsight system and the idea of happiness having intrinsic value and being something to be aspired to is arbitrary as well. Also problematic is the fact that humans are dealing with uncertain futures and are resource-constrained which prevents an accurate appraisal of the consequences of any particular ethical action. So Kuci's crap is fundamentally flawed as well."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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