Recent Suicides of Gay Teenagers and Speaking Out

[giblets]

We force viewpoints on people all the time. That's the entire point of government. I think we should avoid it as much as we can, but generally preventing murder is on everyone's list of things that governments should do.

That doesn't sound very libertarian.

[Heraclitus]

I was replying to your post replying to me. You need to get over yourself, it's not healthy.

I obviously meant over me as in discussing the topic not the poster.

However perhaps both of us would be happier if we just put each other on ignore.

[DaShi]

If you can't handle criticism, go ahead and ignore me.

[giblets]

Wow. Are you comparing the republicans to nazis? Wow.

Why not? A gay Republican makes even less sense than a black Republican.

[Asher]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/protesters-hurl-molotov-cocktails-injure-100-at-serbian-gay-pride-march/article1751569/

Protesters hurl Molotov cocktails, injure 100 at Serbian gay-pride march

Serbian riot police fought running battles on Sunday with hundreds of far-right supporters who tried to disrupt a gay pride march in downtown Belgrade. Nearly 100 people were hurt, officials said.

Thousands of police officers sealed off the streets in the capital where the march took place, repeatedly clashing at several locations with rioters who were trying to burst through security cordons.

Several parked cars were set on fire or damaged, shop windows were broken, garbage containers were overturned and streets signs destroyed. Several shops were looted.

The rioters fired shots and hurled petrol bombs at the headquarters of the ruling pro-Western Democratic Party, setting the garage of the building on fire. The state TV building and other political parties headquarters were also attacked, with many of the house windows shattered by stones.

The protesters, chanting “death to homosexuals!” hurled Molotov cocktails, bricks, stones, glass bottles and firecrackers at riot police. Police responded by firing tear gas and deploying armoured vehicles to disperse the charging protesters in the heart of the capital even after the brief pride march ended.

The protesters hijacked a bus, ordered all of its passengers and the driver out, and pushed it down a steep street before it hit an electric pole on a main Belgrade square.

An organizer, Lazar Pavlovic, said that staging of the pride march was a “historic event.” He condemned the violence and noted that the incidents and immense security measures illustrate the dangers the gay people in Serbia are facing.

Police said that 78 policemen and 17 citizens were injured. They said 101 people were detained, 53 of whom remain in custody, suspected of violent behaviour.

Serbian President Boris Tadic condemned the “vandalism” on Belgrade streets and pledged that the extremists will be arrested and punished.

“Serbia will guarantee human rights for all its citizens, regardless of the differences among them, and no attempts to revoke these freedoms with violence will be allowed,” Mr. Tadic said.

Belgrade mayor Dragan Djilas said that the damage was estimated at more than $1.39- million U.S.

Right-wing groups say the gay events are contrary to Serbian family and religious values. Most of the rioters Sunday were young football fans whose groups have been infiltrated by neo-Nazi and other extremist organizations.

“These riots obviously have nothing to do with the gay parade or any moral values,” said Democratic Party spokeswoman Jelana Trivan. “These are hooligan gangs which must be punished severely.”

Defence Minister Dragan Sutanovac, vice-president of the Democratic Party, said a part of the party's archive, warehouse and phone lines at the building were destroyed and shots were also fired at the building.

“It is high time that we deal in a very democratic way, through the courts, with those who call themselves members of the patriotic organizations,” Mr. Sutanovac said. “Is this Belgrade or the wild West?”

Senior Justice Ministry official Slobodan Homen said that the state response will be “fierce.” He said that the city centre is covered with surveillance cameras and that the rioters have been identified and many already detained. He said they could face up to eight years in prison.

Sunday's march was viewed as a major test for Serbia's government, which has launched pro-Western reforms and pledged to protect human rights as it seeks European Union membership.

Right-wing groups broke up a pride march in 2001 and forced the cancellation of last year's event.

Vincent Degert, the head of the EU mission in Serbia, addressed around 1,000 gay activists and their supporters who gathered at a park in downtown Belgrade which was surrounded by riot police, including armoured vehicles.

“We are here to celebrate this very important day ... to celebrate the values of tolerance, freedom of expression and assembly,” Mr. Degert told the crowd waving rainbow flags.

The same right-wing group set the U.S. Embassy on fire during riots in 2008 to protest U.S. support for Kosovo's independence.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to visit Belgrade in coming days as part of a Balkan tour.

[Heraclitus]

If you can't handle criticism, go ahead and ignore me.

I'm just asking you to separate your criticism of me as a person (to which you are welcome to start a thread) and my arguments.

[DaShi]

You make absurd arguments as well. And of course, you want another thread about yourself, you insecure twit.

[Heraclitus]

You make absurd arguments as well.

Very well, but I'd like to remind you that the particular argument that triggered this was me stating Islam and Judaism have negative views on sodomy and homosexuality but that I'm unsure of Hinduism or Confucianism, which was my response to you pointing out that its not only Christians that hate homosexuals.

So why couldn't we stay on topic?

I am sure there are lots of arguments of mine that you judge don't deserve a real response, why not respond to those with insults or character criticism?

And of course, you want another thread about yourself, you insecure twit.

I haven't started any threads about myself. A bashing thread would not help any insecurities I may or may not have but it would quarantine your constant hit and run attacks to a place I could ignore.

Yes I get it you think I'm a ewhul ewhul person for my rassist beliefs, you are so transparent with regards to this since before the HBD talk you never bothered to insult me or follow my threads like a sad little puppy. I can actually point to the exact thread when you reached the tipping point and went into stalker mode. Can't you just accept there are people in the world who don't share your world-view and move on?

[DaShi]

Very well, but I'd like to remind you that the particular argument that triggered this was me stating Islam and Judaism have negative views on sodomy and homosexuality but that I'm unsure of Hinduism or Confucianism, which was my response to you pointing out that its not only Christians that hate homosexuals.

Actually, it started with you singling out Christianity as being homophobic. I just pointed out how it fits in the bigger picture of you posting about things you poorly understand.

I am sure there are lots of arguments of mine that you judge don't deserve a real response, why not respond to those with insults or character criticism?

Because you use this forum as your personal intellectual masturbatory site. However, you are not an intellectual and no one has interest in your little half-baked racist theories.

I haven't started any threads about myself. A bashing thread would not help any insecurities I may or may not have but it would quarantine your constant hit and run attacks to a place I could ignore.

Puh-lease. Only Ben is more obsessed with himself than you. Maybe not. Here's a sample of your insecure me-threads:

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/193440-I-m-not-sure-one-should-dismiss-God-anymore
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/193436-How-do-you-learn-new-math
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/193247-Links-to-blogs-you-read
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/191795-****ing-*********-listen-up
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/191683-I-have-resolved-to-go-for-a-wank
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/191579-serious-Ok-which-of-these-two-am-I
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/191516-Bought-a-few-Negros-today
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/191150-I-have-realized-Keynsians-are-duchebags
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/190955-serious-Charity-thread
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/191003-I-approve-this-blog
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/190904-Thread-for-Heraclitus-to-continue-his-theories-on-race
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/190695-I-ve-deliberatley-been-ignoring-US-politics
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/190261-Generic-intolerance-bigotry-thread
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/190210-Elizer-Judkowsky-Razib-Khan
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/189314-hypothetically...
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/189321-A-thread-for-married-people
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/189337-I-just-watched-Lars-von-Trier-s-Antichrist
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/188467-What-effect-on-society-will-realistic-sex-robots-have
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/187490-I-need-to-get-laid-should-I-cheat-on-my-GF
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/187315-Anyone-interested-in-AI-in-the-box-game
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/186780-Are-there-any-Lunar-Hoax-nuts-here-on-poly
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/186645-Wolfram-Mathematica-7
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/185912-Marriage-makes-no-sense-for-the-modern-male
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/185677-Unsatisfied
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/185683-My-GF-has-gained-weight-(-7kg-about-15-punds-I-think)
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183638-So....-I-m-in-my-commie-phase-again!
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183933-Pick-up-adivce-thread.
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183764-I-have-trouble-reaching-an-orgasm
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183637-The-Dispossessed-is-a-pretty-good-book
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183515-Is-My-secret-garden-worth-reading
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183431-My-obsession-with-Judaism-is-concerning
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/183095-It-can-be-scary-how-turned-on-women-can-get...
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/182473-What-can-I-talk-to-about-with-a-hot-art-history-major
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/182701-I-think-I-like-Jazz
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/177777-Is-D-D-fun-I-m-thinking-about-getting-into-it.
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/182219-I-just-had-an-idea-for-a-future-empire
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/181979-Do-I-eat-too-many-eggs

[Hauldren Collider]

How does talking about Mathematica show insecurity?

[DaShi]

They are all threads he started to talk about himself, even if the title suggests something else.

[MrFun]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1751569/

Yeah, I read about that, too.

[Al B. Sure!]

Do I eat too many eggs
My obsession with Judaism is concerning
What effect on society will realistic sex robots have

I was not here for most of those threads. I wish I was. I got a feeling though that instead of hilarious responses, no one paid any attention to them.