Why do socialists in America refuse to admit they are socialists?

[MrFun]

Though liberals such as yourself cannot fathom it . . . .

Did you just call Hauldren a liberal?

[KrazyHorse]

Is that really the statement from his posts that stood out as the most ridiculous?

[MrFun]

Not the most ridiculous. I wanted to point that out, so I can watch Hauldren tar and feather the guy.

[Kidlicious]

You have declining birth rates while muslims have exploding populations. So yes, you are being outproduced. Also, your economies have always sucked. Then again, that's what happens to socialist countries. Europe is a case study in how socialism completely destroys a country from the inside. I think the US should research the spread of socialism for military purposes.

Who told you that muslim countries aren't socialist?

[Kuciwalker]

MrFun, he's a Nazi. So yes, little brother is a liberal compared to him.

[N35t0r]

Though liberals such as yourself cannot fathom it, in many places in the world people do not have the same dogmatic worship of liberal doctrine, and many view non-liberal regimes as very successful and liberal ones as failures (usually because of a lack of coherent leadership, poor economic management, or for more important cultural reasons). For example, many older Spaniards and Portugese will reminisce about the Franco and Salazar years, just as many Argentines will tell you that the military coups in the 60s and 70s (especially the government from 78-83) were necessary and that the liberal, democratic regimes of the period were characterized by corruption and bad governance.

**** off and die.

In any case, your point in incredibly silly, as the military governments were even more corrupt and inefficient, to the point of declaring war on ****ing Great Britain, and actually expecting the US to be on our side.

[Hauldren Collider]

**** off and die.

In any case, your point in incredibly silly, as the military governments were even more corrupt and inefficient, to the point of declaring war on ****ing Great Britain, and actually expecting the US to be on our side.

It's adorable to think that they believed we would uphold Teddy Roosevelt's corollary to the Monroe Doctrine and go to war with another nuclear power.

[Hauldren Collider]

MrFun, he's a Nazi. So yes, little brother is a liberal compared to him.

Yeah....still,

[N35t0r]

It's adorable to think that they believed we would uphold Teddy Roosevelt's corollary to the Monroe Doctrine and go to war with another nuclear power.

Yeah, because clearly that would be the only way to be on our side

[Hauldren Collider]

Also consider both the US and the UK are in NATO.

[DriXnaK]

NATO is really nothing more than a miniature UN. It's completely useless and it can basically be boiled down to US military support and funding. We should just disband NATO and let the little socialist Europeans field their own army for once. That is of course if they're even still capable of it seeing as how they can't even prevent their cities from being conquered by Muslims without even firing a shot.

[Hauldren Collider]

NATO is really nothing more than a miniature UN. It's completely useless and it can basically be boiled down to US military support and funding. We should just disband NATO and let the little socialist Europeans field their own army for once. That is of course if they're even still capable of it seeing as how they can't even prevent their cities from being conquered by Muslims without even firing a shot.

You do not understand the Cold War era.

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NB: I don't think NATO has much of a point anymore and would be in favor of abandoning it.

[DriXnaK]

I'm well aware of its use during the cold war, but that was 20 years ago. It has no use anymore and obviously the Europeans didn't have much use to begin with. They should just accept their place in history as hasbeen powers that now hold no significance in the world.

[Barnabas]

Meh, you're using the classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. The reality is the period between 1936-1972 was one of tremendous technological and economic advancement for the whole world and it really doesn't matter who was in charge in Spain because as a western European country it was set to see big changes during that period. If the Republicans had won the Spanish Civil war then you'd be telling us what a great job they did between 1936-1972. The reality is that when Franco died and Spain entered the EU Spain was pretty much a **** hole. It was the poorest state in western Europe (even losing to Ireland and Portugal at the time, ouch) by PPP per capita income and it's infrastructure was so bad the EU has spent the last 40 years giving them subsidies to try to modernize the place. Let's be honest and say Franco wasn't much of a positive factor.

In 1974 Spain had a nominal gdp per capita of 8149 dollars (in Geary–Khamis dollars), Portugal 7048 and Ireland 7042

in 1987 Spain had a percapita gdp of 6010 dollars, Ireland 6030, Portugal 2890 according to that same year Encyclopaedia Britannica

I don't deny that Spaniards have received a lot of help in subsidies since joining the EU, they are lucky to be in Europe

[Dinner]

I said PPP not nominal. Spain was handicapped prior to joining the EU because they didn't have free trade while places like Ireland and Portugal did thus the nominal cost of stuff was higher and the PPP adjustment was fairly large.