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RR cars and engines, F1 tech etc doesn't count - it must be made by ordinary blue collar types.
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Immediately of the top of my head: Steel at Corus in South Wales - not owned by the British, mind...
Quite a lot of good stuff in Wales, naturally.
What do you guys make, ****ing windmills?
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The Dutch make windmills. Danish make... Danish make...
I'm still not understanding why things like Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Bentley, and Mini don't count. I mean they're not owned by Brits but they are made in Britain still right?
Engineering and allied industries comprise the single largest sector, contributing 30.8% of total Gross Value Added in manufacturing in 2003. Within this sector, transport equipment was the largest contributor, with 8 global car manufacturers being present in the UK. These include British makers now owned by overseas companies such as BMW (MINI, Rolls-Royce), Tata (Jaguar-Land Rover), Volkswagen (Bentley) and General Motors (Vauxhall Motors) and plants making vehicles under foreign ownership and branding such as Honda, Nissan and Toyota with a number of smaller, specialist manufacturers (including Lotus and Morgan) and commercial vehicle manufacturers (including Leyland Trucks, LDV, Alexander Dennis, JCB, the main global manufacturing plant for the Ford Transit, Manganese Bronze and Case-New Holland) also being present. The British motor industry also comprises numerous components for the sector, such as Ford's diesel engine plant in Dagenham, which produces half of Ford's diesel engines globally.
A Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine on the wing of an Airbus A380.
A range of companies like Brush Traction and Hunslet manufacture railway locomotives and other related components. Associated with this sector are the aerospace and defence equipment industries. The UK manufactures a broad range of equipment, with the sector being dominated by BAE Systems, which manufactures civil and defence aerospace, land and marine equipment; VT Group, one of the world's largest builders of warships; and GKN and Rolls Royce, who manufacture aerospace engines and power generation systems. Commercial shipbuilders include Harland and Wolff, Cammell Laird, Abels, Barclay Curle and Appledore. Companies such as Princess, Sealine, Fairline Boats and Sunseeker are major builders of private motor yachts.
Another important component of engineering and allied industries is electronics, audio and optical equipment, with the UK having a broad base of domestic firms, alongside a number of foreign firms manufacturing a wide range of TV, radio and communications products, scientific and optical instruments, electrical machinery and office machinery and computers.
Chemicals and chemical-based products are another important contributor to the UK's manufacturing base. Within this sector, the pharmaceutical industry is particularly successful, with the world's second and third largest pharmaceutical firms (GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca respectively) being based in the UK and having major research and development and manufacturing facilities there."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
The Dutch used to make old fashioned windmills - danes makes modern ditto.
Because they are more or less handbuild by expert craftsmen. What I'm looking for is like german cars.I'm still not understanding why things like Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Bentley, and Mini don't count. I mean they're not owned by Brits but they are made in Britain still right?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I don't know what to compare it to, but it doesn't seem so...
The Mini is currently assembled at Plant Oxford in Cowley, Oxfordshire, where 4,700 employees (referred to as 'associates') produce up to 800 cars each day (approximately 240,000 per year). The 16 country-specific variants of the three main 4 cylinder petrol engines are assembled at the Hams Hall Plant near Birmingham, where there are 1,000 employees. Mini sub-assemblies and pressings such as doors are supplied by the plant at Swindon, where 1,100 are employed and 280 pressed parts are produced using 135 welding robots. The bodyshop at Cowley holds 429 robots, assembling 425 body panels; the bodyshells are then moved to the neighbouring paint shop where paint robots apply the 14 exterior colour options and optional contrasting roof colours. Final assembly is performed at Cowley, which involves the fitting of 2,400 components to produce the numerous variants that may be ordered"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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Several jets and jet engines, ships, motorcycles, and a great many foreign brands of cars and consumer electronics. Sadly, the UK is the most deindustrialized country in Europe thanks to the ****bag Thatcher. In the 70's the Labor government nationalized most of Britain's heavy industry and then when Thatcher came in rather then slowly weening them off like the French successfully did Thatcher just dumped them all practically insuring they died mostly for partisan political reasons (labor unions, not surprisingly, supported Labor so she wanted to kill them even if it destroyed the country's economy which it did).
She single handedly killed the British motor industry, the car parts industry, the steel industry, and the coal industry mainly because she didn't like their unions. The ****ing ****.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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RR Engines. They're almost as good as GE's."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I know nothing of this topic but I suspect you're being extremely unreasonable. If turning British industry loose to the risks of the free market resulted in many British companies disappearing, who cares? They clearly couldn't hang with the rest of the world. Keeping them nationalized was only delaying the inevitable.Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
It seems to me, British industry, at this point, is largely niche. That's what they seem to be doing well at. They just can't compete with regard to mass market goods. I don't see how de-nationalism caused that; it only hurried the inevitable.
Oh and about the union thing... Oerdin, you do realize that GM would still be strong probably if it weren't for its union? The American car industry is only in the rut it's in because of high union benefits."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
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That's a very unfair portrayal, and I'm certainly no Thatcher fan.Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
British Leyland was a joke.
It was unmanageable before it was nationalised, partially because all the separate "brands" (goodness knows how many there where) were in competition with each other rather than cooperating, even though the marques were essentially the same. This came about mainly because of botched Labour industrial policy in the late 60s.
The models were never updated, no effort was made to fit product to market which put them at a massive disadvantage with Ford etc. who actually did. BL managers spent most of their time negotiating with militant trade unions rather than actually running the company. Instead, shop stewards (Derek Robinson being the prime offender) would run the joint who would go on strike for all sorts of ridiculous reasons like a break being 5 minutes late or some such on Robbo's command.
Hardly surprising it went bust.
Thatcher and co. have their part of the blame to take, but it was long on the road to death before then.Last edited by Frozzy; August 9, 2010, 20:05.Comment
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SSNs, Main Battle Tanks, potentially UCAVs if Taranis ever gets off the ground...
Also, ARM is HQed in the UK IIRC.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Good call on ARM
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UK is the 5th largest Arms Exporter in the world... they must clearly be making something.Originally posted by Lonestar View Post"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
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(source: Eurostat)
'Nuff said, motherfuckers.Comment
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Patent trolls
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