Poverty creates large IQ differences even between groups of the same ethnicity.

[Heraclitus]

Where do you find a significant concentration of smart Africans?

There are dozens of millions of very smart Africans in Africa. One could easily allow them to migrate to a developed country and it would be a short and medium term boon for the country (and a disaster for Africa if they don't eventually return and make kids there).

The US population of recent African immigrants is close to this mark, they also apparently don't like US Blacks that much, a few of their communities probably do exist in the US.

I know this isn't your real point, your point is that they may not regress towards that mean.
But considering how strong a predictor class and IQ is in the US for how one chooses his spouse one basically already has such breeding populations.

The IQs of children of Black parents with a high IQ regress to a lower mean than children of White parents with the same IQ.

[Fake Boris]

But what is your evidence for them to decay into a lower mean? And why is it that the decay doesn't apply to standard populations?

[Cort Haus]

The article in the OP claims that the Scottish are discriminated against in Britain. This suggestion is wrong, stupid and in itself prejudiced. Nor do I believe that Scots score lower in IQ tests. I expect the person who wrote the article is a liar and/or an idiot.

I also think that 'poly should stop obsessing about IQ.

[Heraclitus]

Regression towards the mean is a stat tool, not really a law. After a few generations of eugenic breeding the decay towards a lower mean among certain Black populations would stop since "bad" genes would fall out and "good" genes would fixate. Just like the Jews (a eugenically selected White population) regress to ~110 instead of a IQ of 102 like say Italians or Germans.

[Heraclitus]

The trick of course is that such a population would need to be isolated genetically from the wider black community for a longer period of time just like the Jews where (nearly all of the 40% European admixture is Southern European suggesting early admixture then stabilization and isolation).

This currently isn't happening with the higher Black US classes. Also affirmative action distorts the dynamics.

[Hauldren Collider]

They're as highly correlated with income as any other predictive variable observable before university

IIRC rho > 0.5

Probably even more correlated with academic achievement..

But how correlated are those with actual intelligence when you consider poverty and such? Being born poor doesn't make you stupid.

Yes they are useful, but are they useful for their intended purpose?

Keep in mind I'm not denying that being smart correlates with making money

[Kuciwalker]

actual intelligence

define

[Kuciwalker]

Oh, and then explain why we care about that more than "ability to generate wealth in a service economy".

[Hauldren Collider]

If the ability to create wealth is based on your circumstances when you grow up combined with innate intelligence, we could produce much more wealth by identifying those with high innate intelligence and ensuring they are provided superior conditions growing up.

[Hauldren Collider]

actual intelligence

define

Ask a ****ing psychologist, dude, I can't give you a rigorous answer to that. But I can draw the line at something directly affected by the amount of money you have growing up (as in, if you took two identical twins, one grew up in NoVA and the other grew up in a Chicago slum, who would be more likely to score higher?)

[Kuciwalker]

Ask a ****ing psychologist, dude, I can't give you a rigorous answer to that.

You can't give me a rigorous answer because even the "****ing psychologists" don't really know.

Which was the point, of course.

But I can draw the line at something directly affected by the amount of money you have growing up (as in, if you took two identical twins, one grew up in NoVA and the other grew up in a Chicago slum, who would be more likely to score higher?)

Well that's just dumb. You think a definition of "intelligence" must completely exclude non-genetic factors*? What purpose does that serve? How does that restriction make the idea of "intelligence" more useful?

*if you start talking about epigenetics and such I will walk upstairs and punch you in the face.

[Al B. Sure!]

Oh, and then explain why we care about that more than "ability to generate wealth in a service economy".

You are not human, Kuci.

[RGBVideo]

Poverty creates IQ differences

...what?

[RGBVideo]

this is a funny thread. maniac is essentially self-pwning himself

[Al B. Sure!]

...what?

It does. Even in strict terms like due to malnutrition in the womb and in youth.