Some Muslim groups just seem to love being public enemy number one.

[Dinner]

More murdering Muslims, this time in Uganda. Seriously, if the religion is so peaceful why does it's primary occupation seem to be murdering innocent people? It's a religion of violence which was born in violence and Mohamed was nothing more then a genocidal murderer and a child rapist. That anyone can get on their knees for such an evil religion is beyond me. Such murderous acts are nearly a daily occurrence so don't tell me this isn't part of Islam. Where ever Islam goes murder and violence is sure to follow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/10593771.stm

[MikeH]

A tiny handful of muslims perform a terrorist act and you tar the whole religion? Ridiculous.

That's like saying Catholisism's primary occupation is paedophilia.

Wherever humanity goes murder and violence is sure to follow, regardless of any religion that may or may not be present. To suggest Muslims are worse than anyone else is pure prejudice.

[Gibsie]

Having a bad day Oerdin? Hmm, but they're all bad days, aren't they.

You should try being me, I have to put up with the blimmin call to prayer every day, so loud I can hear it from any room in my flat. There's the real crime against humanity, let me tell you.

[Dinner]

A tiny handful of muslims perform a terrorist act and you tar the whole religion?

Yes, because it is a daily event and because it is based on the the teachings of the holy book of the murderers. It tells them to kill the nonbelievers where ever they find them. That's extremely clear. Their religion directly orders them to kill people and so it needs to be named and shamed. We need to stop fooling ourselves about how evil Islam is. What would you call a religion which orders the faithful to murder everyone who is not of that religion? I'd call it evil and murderous.

That's just a basic fact even if you don't like it. I'm happy that all Muslims don't carry out the orders of their genocidal cult leader but that doesn't change the fact that their religion directly orders everyone else to be murdered. That's not a few bad apples; that's the religion being correctly practiced according to its founder. Who BTW raped a 9 year old girl, ordered all the Jews of Arabia to be exterminated or enslaved, and who was a serial killer. Just an evil piece of **** but an evil piece of **** who all Muslims are supposed to emulate.

[Dinner]

I have to put up with the blimmin call to prayer every day, so loud I can hear it from any room in my flat.

I'd file a law suite against them and I'd win too.

[Dinner]

That's like saying Catholisism's primary occupation is paedophilia.

It's not?


A couple of points. 1) The bible doesn't order catholics to rape little boys (the priests just seem to do that on their own) and 2) The Koran does order Muslims to kill all non Muslims. That's why Islam is evil and why there will always be terrorism as long as their are Muslims. 3) That's exactly why western countries should never allow any Muslims in because it just leads to terrorism and murder. All religions maybe bull**** but Islam is just plain evil.

[MikeH]

Well it is a few bad apples, outside war zones it's not happening every day that's just bull****. There are something like 1,000,000 Muslims in the UK yet any 'murder of unbelievers' is incredibly rare, only a fanatical few believe that.

You can't condemn the majority of Muslims for something they don't believe on the basis that you think they ought to believe it based on a half arsed understanding of their religious teachings.

I'm sure Imran or someone will be able to school you on that.

I'd have thought they'd have taught you better than that at hearts and minds school for Iraq! Or was their idea of fostering trust and understanding to train you that all muslims wanted to kill you?

[Dinner]

Yes, yes I can. As I said, I'm glad most Muslims don't actually carry out the orders of their evil religion but that doesn't change the fact that it's founding document orders all nonbelievers to be killed where ever they are found. That's not the result of a few bad apples even if only a few bad apples actually carry out the ravings of their deranged cult leader. The religion itself preaches hate, murder, and evil.

BTW Imran and I have had this discussion several times and he can never explain away the fact that 1) Islam orders all nonbelievers to "be killed where ever they are found" 2) That in Islam everyone is supposed to copy the life of their cult leader who was a pedophile who raped a 9 year old girl, who was a serial killer, and who ordered & carried out genocide. 3) The cult leader was also a drug addict. In short, the religion orders people to be the worst human beings imaginable.

[MikeH]

But that's just not true, at best it's a half truth based on people reading lines out of context. Just because some fanatics interpret it that way, and some Muslim haters would love us to all believe it the truth is much less shocking.

A decent explanation here:

http://www.altmuslim.com/a/a/a/are_we_really_supposed_to_kill_all_the_infidels_part_ii/

Just one of many to be easily found on the web if anyone can be bothered to do a little research. So your assertion is based on misinformation.

[Dinner]

Wow! A Muslim apologist website which comes up with fanciful explanations for why what is says isn't really what it means. Color me surprised but completely unconvinced. "It says A but it super secretly really means B!" Or we could just take what it says at face value. Or then again maybe Hitler really didn't mean it when he said he wanted to kill all the Jews and enslave the slavs. I mean just because the cult leader orders the faithful to kill all the unbelievers doesn't mean the faithful are supposed to actually kill all the unbelievers, right?

[Dinner]

BTW you know that when he wrote all the nonbelievers should be killed that he actually meant it because, as opposed to some retarded reinterpretation, the savage actually went out and did it. He actually went out any killed anyone who didn't join his cult and he had all of his crazed cult members do the same. History verifies it.

[MikeH]

I guess you didn't read the post.

It says A and means A but people misread it and say it means B.

Don't get me wrong, I think all religions are bad, but Islam's no worse than eg. Christianity.

[Nikolai]

I just read the book about the Green Prince, the son of one of Hamas' founding fathers. He says early in the book that there are three main groups of muslims: The fundamentalists, which a few, but very, very dangerous. The moderates, which are following the good side of islam and being good, productive members of society as a general rule. And the cultural muslims who might beleive in something, but doesn't do much about it in their daily life. According to this guy, the vast majority of muslims are one of the last two. But he warns that the path is short from moderate to fundamentalist. Both are trying to live a pious life, and both have support in the islamic texts. So the dangerous are few, but they have a large amount of moderates behind them who don't have a long way to join them...

[MikeH]

BTW you know that when he wrote all the nonbelievers should be killed that he actually meant it because, as opposed to some retarded reinterpretation, the savage actually went out and did it. He actually went out any killed anyone who didn't join his cult and he had all of his crazed cult members do the same. History verifies it.

Bit like the crusades was it?

[Nikolai]

Difference is Mike, that the Crusades cannot be supported by Jesus' teachings.