Migrants make germany dumb

[Riesstiu IV]

If Germans are so smart then why did they start and lose two world wars?

[Al B. Sure!]

Umm... why do you think Turks and Arabs are dumb? Has the world forgotten that the Arabs were the ones that continued to advance civilization while Europeans were too busy wearing pointy helmets and slaughtering each other?

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A spokesman for a Muslim group in Berlin said; ‘He is a tired old white Christian male full of prejudice and few ideas.’

your ideas are wrong because
(a) you're a white christian male;
(b) you're the racist

fukkin' brilliant

[Riesstiu IV]

Umm... why do you think Turks and Arabs are dumb? Has the world forgotten that the Arabs were the ones that continued to advance civilization while Europeans were too busy wearing pointy helmets and slaughtering each other?

The Turks just stole the cultural achievements of the people they conquered and claimed it as their own.

[Whoha]

A century and a half of taking in the impoverished masses of the world should have made the US technologically backwards and economically poor.

A century and a half of that certainly would have, however that is not what happened.

[Al B. Sure!]

The Turks just stole the cultural achievements of the people they conquered and claimed it as their own.

And the Arabs?

[Asher]

Again with the IQ decline of Europe due to immigration?

Europe's IQ is lower because of EMIGRATION.

All the smart ones move to the new world.

[Dinner]

The Turks just stole the cultural achievements of the people they conquered and claimed it as their own.

This is largely true.

[Al B. Sure!]

Oerdin really doesn't like Turks, I see. What are you? Greek?

And nevertheless, the same can not be said of the Arabs.

[Riesstiu IV]

And the Arabs?

Look, I admit I'm biased against Turks since I'm a Hellenophile and a fan of Byzantine history. But let's be honest, Turkish food, culture, architecture is pretty much an amalgamation of what was already established by Arabs, Iranians, Greeks, Kurds, etc.

It's just the case for any other nomadic group that establishes itself as a nation or empire. The Mughals who ruled India for centuries, essentially became Islamic Indian rulers who stylized themselves as Persians. They really didn't add much to India themselves.

I'm not biased against Arabs and realize that the Arab world has a rich cultural heritage dating back to Sumeria.

[One_more_turn]

Germany offers great welfares and quite open immigration policies, and Germans really don't like immigrants => a great combo that pisses off smart people and attracts dumb asses at same time.

[Bosh]

People are being much too hard on this guy, it's not HIS fault that so many Poles have moved to Germany.

[Heresson]

http://pgf.cc/2006/03/28/poles-have-2nd-highest-iq-in-europe/

actually third, after Germans and Dutch (107 both, Poles 106)


In France, the average intelligence score was 94, comparable to Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey and Serbia, while Germany and the Netherlands posted a brainy 107.

wtf, France?

[Heraclitus]

Heraclitus, to be sincere, I don' know why you would expect Kurds to be dumb, geographically and genetically they are closely related to Jews, Armenians and Syrians, not dumb people.

The problem is probably their primitive islamic culture, not inherent stupidity.

Who says he is speaking primarily of Kurds?

I didn't say they where that dumb. You need to understand that Northern Central Eruopeans are really really smart (Germans have an IQ of 107 which is comparable to East Asians like the Japanese and less gifted Jewish groups), its not coincidence that out of the all the groups of Jews in the world, many of which filled similar neiches as the Askenazi Jews, the Askenazi Jews ended up the smartest. They had to be smarter than Dutchmen/Germans/Poles.

Note: The average IQ of Israel is just 94. Askenazi and certain Shepardim Jews are the ones with the proverbial smarts.

It depends on which Sryans you are refering to, many populations in Iran, Lebanon, Srya and the Arab world in general (to a lesser extent) are very well of in the inteligence department most with average IQs from the low 90s all the way to 100 and a few even a bit higher than that. The problem are the unwashed masses who drag down the IQs of countries like Egypt, Yemen and Saudi Arabia to the low 80s.

Randomized Balkan (including Slovenian) immigrants would also probably hurt the German average IQ since we are probably in the mid 90's at the best of times and Gpypsies are probably in their high 80s or low 90s considering their origin. But fortunatley we aren't from cultures that breed like rabbits.

Overall the argument anyway wasn't nesecarily group differences but the average IQ of the immigrants. The ones who choose to migrate are usually menial or construction workers that are really poor, since its not that expensive to reach Germany (living there is another matter). Even if Japan was exporting immigrants like that, their average IQ's would probably be in the middling 90s.

Not only that but the ones with higher IQs among them tend to assimilate (ie breed less) rapidly to German norms in the course of a generation or two. So the remaining population with the backward culture (which I do agree is a problem for things like education) are still breeding waaay above the German average and have an even lower genotypical average IQ than the intial wave of immigrants.

Anyway I'm willing to quite confidently state that Turkey today is more meritocratic than 19th century Europe (it also porbably has higher average IQs due to the Flynn effect) this is why the poor workers who emigrated to the US climbed the social ladder, the Flynn effect did wonders for them as the quality of their life improved, not only that those that where stuck in their class due to unfair treatment experienced rapid gains in acheivment and to top it all of their culture was European in character and their religion was Christianity which made assimilation a breeze.

2nd and 3rd Mexican immigrants for example today in the US do worse than fresh immigrants precisley because the Flynn effect probably dosen't have much more to go in them also its much cheaper to reach the US today for a Mexican than it was for a Belorussian peasant in the 19th century.
Americans do whine too much about cultural endangerment. Mexicans in Mexico have stopped breeding like rabbits, which means that together with the ever decreasing standard of the American South East the immigrant flood will decrease to a trickle. The prominence of English world wide means USian Mexicans are slated to assimilate to the language unless they can acheive a clear majorit (which they won't since whites will still be the biggest single group in 2040). To top it off they are chatolic, their culture overall is heavily influenced by Europeans norms.

The real key difference is their lower genotypical inteligence which will keep them poorer than whites its just a question of how much.
Depending on how you handle them they will either turn out like Apalachian Whites or Blacks.

[Heraclitus]

http://pgf.cc/2006/03/28/poles-have-...-iq-in-europe/

actually third, after Germans and Dutch (107 both, Poles 106)


In France, the average intelligence score was 94, comparable to Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey and Serbia, while Germany and the Netherlands posted a brainy 107.

wtf, France?

Several explanations for this. France is heavily Celtic in origin. Ireland for example also has an IQ of around 93. Perhaps the Celts where a wee bit dimmer than the Germanics and Poles? They also had heavy immigration from Italy in the 19th century, perhaps it was mostly from Souther Italy whose IQs are much lower than the Northern Italians, perhaps comparable to Greeks (92) who are of similar type? Lots of plausible explanations for just White Frenchies lower than German IQ.

Or maybe the guy doing the study wasn't able to get a sample of just European Frenchmen and the influence of the huge Arab and Black (20%) population is showing.