Ships to Gaza incident

[Asher]

Instead of addressing my arguments you've spent over 10 posts nitpicking a sentence making a distinction between the blockade and the sanctions, that isn't critical to most of my argument.

I spent most of my post explaining exactly what are the arguments against the closure (blockade + sanctions) and why I think they are legally problematic, and you spend your energy discussing a completely irrelevant point, and then accusing me of being dishonest, despite lying through your teeth.

I don't need you to explain to me the arguments against the closure. I don't care why an Israeli thinks they are "legally problematic". Israelis have shown themselves to be completely ignorant of international law and humanitarian rights.

I was not lying through my teeth, you took issue with my claim that the Red Cross wants the blockade ended. You did this by whining about the fact that it was not specifically mentioned. It's in this ****ing thread, are you too stupid to realize other people can read this too?

[Asher]

42m30s armed welcoming party awaiting IDF soldiers

LOL!

They have SLINGSHOTS

LOL

They are using slingshots to fire pebbles at helicopter and you classify this as an "armed welcoming party"? Seriously! HAHAHAAHA.

Absolutely pathetic, the depravity of your dishonesty.

[Asher]

I've found more evidence of the organized, armed welcoming party aboard the flotilla.

[C0ckney]

this thing is that we've already had this debate and siro has come in late and spouted a lot of the same old crap that has already been discussed and debunked. i don't think many people can really be bothered to go over it again.

i will say this however, there were two sides here, one attacking, one defending. any sensible person can tell which is which.

also, the 'martyrs' thing is just ridiculous and a classic example of the sort of doublespeak we see from the israelis and their supporters. when we hear islamic 'martyrs' it's usually in the context of killing, or trying to kill, lots of infidels. here we see the 'islamic martyrs' had ample opportunity to kill some infidels (and not just any old infidels, jews!), except they took the guns and instead of killing the jews (which would surely have pleased allah enormously), they unloaded the weapons! something doesn't quite add up here, i wonder why...

[Wezil]

this thing is that we've already had this debate and siro has come in late and spouted a lot of the same old crap that has already been discussed and debunked. i don't think many people can really be bothered to go over it again.

We don't all have Asher's fortitude.

[Asher]

It's only possible to keep it up when you can channel your inner rage.

[DinoDoc]

I thought you were all outer rage.

[Asher]

It starts from within. You must channel it to direct it in such an eloquent and gracious manner.

[MOBIUS]

this thing is that we've already had this debate and siro has come in late and spouted a lot of the same old crap that has already been discussed and debunked. i don't think many people can really be bothered to go over it again.

Intelligent people realise this.

However that's how scumbags like Siro and Ben get their messages of hate across: Just keep spewing the same old lies until all the sane and decent folk get bored and move on...

Then some gullible moron comes along and sees Siro's crap and thinks it's OK to murder innocent people and treat an entire population like dirt.

Ad infinitum.

[BeBMan]

Yeah, and in the end everyone will think it's OK to murder innocent people

[Asher]

I wonder if there's footage of the shots to the forehead of some of the civilians on the boat.

Siro talks about how it's such close-range combat, so they weren't hit by strays, but what kind of person shoots a guy in close-range between the eyes in self defense?

[MOBIUS]

Yeah, and in the end everyone will think it's OK to murder innocent people

Not only that, but they will actually have the cheek to blame the innocent people for making them murder them!

[Asher]

Well, they did have slingshots and they were plucking helicopters with them.

[The Mad Monk]

Thursday, April 19, 2012
Nisan 27, 5772

State Comptroller report ‘raps PM over Mavi Marmara failures’Netanyahu blamed for underestimating the significance of the 2010 flotilla to GazaBy Stuart Winer April 19, 2012, 3:14 pm

State Comptroller Micha Lindenstrauss delivered his report on the 2010 Gaza flotilla raid to the prime minister and a government committee on Wednesday.

The report, handed to both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and MK Roni Bar-On (Kadima), chairman of the Knesset State Control Committee, is believed to criticize the prime minister for his handling of the incident, in which naval commandos were attacked as they sought to take control of the Mavi Marmara ship, and nine Turkish activists were killed when the commandos opened fire.

The daily Maariv said the report finds fault with Netanyhau for not correctly assessing the significance of the flotilla, for not cancelling a trip abroad, and for not sufficiently briefing Vice Prime Minister Moshe Ya’alon, who was left to deal with the incident. It also reportedly includes severe criticism of Israel’s poor international public relations campaign following the botched interception.

Details of the report will not be made public until the committee decides which parts of the document should be censored. The government is expected to push for broadening the censorship while opposition parties will act to reveal as much of the report as possible.

At the time of the flotilla, Netanyahu was on a visit to Canada that he cut short as developments became clear.

During the incident, on May 31, 2010, naval commandos intercepted a flotilla of six ships carrying activists from Turkey who intended to try to break the Israeli naval blockade on Gaza. Five of the ships were boarded without incident, but commandos was drawn into a violent hand-to-hand struggle with activists on the Mavi Marmara. Nine Turkish citizens died and several IDF soldiers were injured.

A second State Comptroller report submitted Wednesday is expected to find that the National Security Council is sometimes kept out of vital defense related decision-making process. The report found that the government did not make use of information provided by the NSC during its preparations for the dealing with the flotilla, Maariv said.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/state-comptroller-report-to-criticize-netanyahu-over-gaza-flotilla-failures/

[DaShi]

Thanks for your contribution.