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Originally posted by Wezil View PostIf we can agree (?) that reunification is in the long term best interests of the Korean people then this is a poor argument for the status quo.Blah
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Peaceful is always preferable than war but I see no signs of a peaceful reunification in the foreseeable future. Sure, we can hope something cool may miraculously happen but it is a poor basis for policy."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Btw, many nations are "paying the price" for the stalemate there and have been for the last 50 years. This isn't just a Korean concern"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Wezil View PostPeaceful is always preferable than war but I see no signs of a peaceful reunification in the foreseeable future. Sure, we can hope something cool may miraculously happen but it is a poor basis for policy.
What would be the alternative? If it isn't possible to implement a good solution immediately they'd just go with the worst option?
Btw, many nations are "paying the price" for the stalemate there and have been for the last 50 years. This isn't just a Korean concernBlah
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Originally posted by BeBro View Post
What would be the alternative? If it isn't possible to implement a good solution immediately they'd just go with the worst option?
There is a price to be paid while we do nothing and hope for eventual reunification - reunification which will also carry a price tag that is growing by the day as the north becomes further behind.
Yeah, but the question is if that price is comparable to the one of full scale war there, which would affect others as well."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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While I see no good solution here either, Wez is right, the wait them out approach is clearly a failure and now it appears that it's going to get worse.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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While we're considering the fate of the people directly involved, let's not forget about the North Korean people. They are desperately poor and dying from starvation/malnutrition under a regime that just doesn't give a damn. Waiting another 50 years is doing them no favour."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Wezil View PostMy apologies. I saw you around last evening (my time) and thought you were dodging.
Doing nothing is the easiest course of action which of course is why it will be the route taken. That doesn't mean we can't speculate on what may be a better, alternative, approach.
As laughable as war with NK may be (for the political reasons you argued well) it may well be a better approach than 50 more years of the same.
there would have to be a great deal of planning for the reunification of korea, how to stop everyone simply moving from the north to the south (or to china for that matter) in the confusion and how to start to rebuild the economy and social systems in the north. i think you would need to have all the interested countries involved in this process (SK, china, US, japan, russia and maybe the EU and some others), giving aid, providing advice and expertise. i'm sure there would be some excellent commercial opportunies in rebuilding north korea. i would support a war under these circumstances, but again it comes back to the problem of getting that international support. if there wasn't the international support or a credible plan for the aftermath, i couldn't see myself supporting a war."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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just to be clear, i think the situation at the moment is dire, but that it is better to work towards a peaceful re-unification at the moment."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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with great difficulty, sadly...
realistically, put pressure on china to take a firmer line. try to (somehow) find a way to influence kim's successor, perhaps by a strategy of suggesting that there is a way back into the international community for NK if he (the son) gives up the nukes and opens up the country and economy."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Apparently it is the younger son being "groomed" for succession. Presumably the older is too sane for the position.
I'm not optimistic any heir would be better."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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