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  • #16
    Just yesterday Fox News and Sarah Palin were claiming America was founded as a Christian nation and that the founders supposedly always planned on it being a Christian nation.

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    • #17
      Which explains why the only thing that should ever come out of Sarah Palin's mouth is my penis. Although quite frankly, as much as I want to hit that, it wouldn't stay out for long.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
        Just yesterday Fox News and Sarah Palin were claiming America was founded as a Christian nation and that the founders supposedly always planned on it being a Christian nation.
        I don't see how this is any worse than Obama claiming his policies will reduce the deficit or that he hasn't raised taxes. This is pandering, whereas Obama is just flat-out lying. At least when Republicans claim this is a Christian nation, it doesn't actually change any public policy. Pick your bull****: Harmful or harmless.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          I don't see how this is any worse than Obama claiming his policies will reduce the deficit or that he hasn't raised taxes. This is pandering, whereas Obama is just flat-out lying. At least when Republicans claim this is a Christian nation, it doesn't actually change any public policy. Pick your bull****: Harmful or harmless.
          Umm, if they convinced people that America is and was meant to be a Christian nation it would build support for many of their idiotic stances on social issues.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gribbler View Post
            Umm, if they convinced people that America is and was meant to be a Christian nation it would build support for many of their idiotic stances on social issues.
            They're not trying to build support, just pandering to their base. The effort is not to convince new people of this.


            And presidents don't really dictate a lot of social policy anyway apart from abortion, which is NOT restricted to the religious right. Besides, who the **** goes bankrupt because the president thinks the country is christian? Versus the democrat's complete lack of understanding of good fiscal policy, somebody who thinks "under god" should be in the pledge seems like a rather light trade-off.

            I don't know if I've mentioned this before but I am personally NOT religious.
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            • #21
              I don't see how it is any worse than Hu Jintao claiming China is a country of laws. Obama is trying to get things happening while Hu is preventing progress.
              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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              • #22
                Anybody who thinks we should have a pledge of allegiance in the first place is a soft-headed tit and a danger to us all.
                Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                  I don't see how it is any worse than Hu Jintao claiming China is a country of laws. Obama is trying to get things happening while Hu is preventing progress.
                  I'm sorry is this supposed to be an analogy because I don't see how you can make any logical comparison between Hu Jintao and somebody who works for Fox News.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    They're not trying to build support, just pandering to their base. The effort is not to convince new people of this.


                    And presidents don't really dictate a lot of social policy anyway apart from abortion, which is NOT restricted to the religious right. Besides, who the **** goes bankrupt because the president thinks the country is christian? Versus the democrat's complete lack of understanding of good fiscal policy, somebody who thinks "under god" should be in the pledge seems like a rather light trade-off.

                    I don't know if I've mentioned this before but I am personally NOT religious.
                    Given that "America is a Christian nation" is basically the opposite of separation of church and state, I'd say it interferes with convincing people that the government should treat gay people equally and that they shouldn't support a ban on abortion for religious reasons. When right wing politicians claim the founding fathers wanted America to be a "Chistian nation" they spread lies and make people more ignorant.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                      Given that "America is a Christian nation" is basically the opposite of separation of church and state, I'd say it interferes with convincing people that the government should treat gay people equally and that they shouldn't support a ban on abortion for religious reasons. When right wing politicians claim the founding father wanted America to be a "Chistian nation" they spread lies and make people more ignorant.
                      As I've said, I don't think the lies are spreading so much as if you're a politician pandering to the bible belt, what the hell else are you going to say? I agree that it goes against church and state but a politician claiming this to be a christian nation still isn't going to be able to do jack **** and probably wouldn't even try to do jack **** to reduce religious freedom in this country. Besides, my point is more that sending the country over a financial cliff is a little bit of a bigger deal than asserting the country is Christian (in my opinion). I understand that this is a matter of personal priorities--some people might see the latter as more important. I think the economy comes first.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        I'm sorry is this supposed to be an analogy because I don't see how you can make any logical comparison between Hu Jintao and somebody who works for Fox News.
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • #27
                          I'm with Sloww... in that we should swear to Judas Priest from now on
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #28
                            And all that backmasking effort finally pays off...
                            Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

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                            • #29
                              BTW O'Reilly, as usual, is completely wrong about the ten commandments being inscribed on the walls of the Supreme Court. Snopes did a great piece on this:

                              Do religious symbols abound in the national capital buildings and words of the United States' founders?
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                              • #30
                                Separation of Church and State doesn't mean that the two can't mix. It means no government endorsed religion. It doesn't mean an advocacy against religion.
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                                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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