Post here if you want to describe Kuciwalker

[Asher]

Erm...yeah...obviously, our father is jewish

You is got the snip.

[onodera]

Kuci is the guy I always confuse with Kidicious. One of them is a socialist, the other one is a born again Christian. Also, Kuci is the guy with soft waffles on his avatar.

[giblets]

We save more lives than we take. The evidence, from the last three decades:

80's: Saddam wages horrible war against Iran that includes the use of chemical weapons.

Late 80s, Saddam kills ~200,000 Kurds in chemical genocide against towns of 10,000 people at a time.

Early 90s, Saddam invades a neighboring country and releases oil intentionally destroying all of the newly discovered deep-water coral reef in the Persian Gulf.

Mid 90s, Saddam drains the land of the Marsh Arabs, committing genocide to the tune of 50,000 people.

Late 90s, Saddam diverts 'oil for food' products to sale for cash in neighboring countries resulting in the malnutrition deaths of 400,000 children in his own country.

This speaks nothing of the state-sanctioned murder of opposition and the state-sanctioned rape of countless girls by Saddam's men. Or of the other atrocities of State Islam (FGM, honor killings, capital punishment for gays and discrimination against women that is no longer legal).


Civilian deaths in the US-Iraq war: ~400,000.

Greater good.

how do you know Saddam would have killed 400,000 Iraqis since 2003 if we hadn't invaded? I guess if you strongly believe that you know Saddam would have killed that many, you can call your beliefs consistent...

[Ecofarm]

If we do civilian deaths per year (going back only to the late 80s), Saddam far exceeds us.

Plus freedom.


How can I not support the war?


Unless you have very compelling evidence that Saddam had changed and was no longer a genocidal madman dictator...

Do you have evidence for that? Because I'm finding it hard to believe he was a changed man.

[Riesstiu IV]

We save more lives than we take. The evidence, from the last three decades:

80's: Saddam wages horrible war against Iran that includes the use of chemical weapons.

Late 80s, Saddam kills ~200,000 Kurds in chemical genocide against towns of 10,000 people at a time.

Early 90s, Saddam invades a neighboring country and releases oil intentionally destroying all of the newly discovered deep-water coral reef in the Persian Gulf.

Mid 90s, Saddam drains the land of the Marsh Arabs, committing genocide to the tune of 50,000 people.

Late 90s - 2000s, Saddam diverts 'oil for food' products to sale for cash in neighboring countries resulting in the malnutrition deaths of 400,000 children in his own country.

This speaks nothing of the state-sanctioned murder of opposition and the state-sanctioned rape of countless girls by Saddam's men. Or of the other atrocities of State Islam (FGM, honor killings, capital punishment for gays and discrimination against women - that are no longer legal).


Civilian deaths in the US-Iraq war: ~400,000.


Greater good, liberty is just a bonus (hopefully).

Who backed the Ba'ath party's rise to power in the 60s? Who supported Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war. Who overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government in 1953 and replaced with an autocratic King.

If you actually think our post-WWII foreign policy revolves around helping oppressed people, you are blind to reality. No Arabs or Iranians think the U.S. has their best interests in mind.

[Ecofarm]

Yes, let's blame everyone except the genocidal dictator. That works great.



Let's face it people... he was a genocidal dictator. How anyone can oppose his overthrow is just a little beyond me. I know it has not worked out perfect and I cry for the dead civilians just like anyone else, but sometimes we've got to say 'enough is enough' and see that greater good is served via some suffering today.

[Riesstiu IV]

I guess they give PhDs to anyone these days. Way to avoid every point I made.

[Kuciwalker]

Kuci is the guy I always confuse with Kidicious. One of them is a socialist, the other one is a born again Christian. Also, Kuci is the guy with soft waffles on his avatar.

MikeH beat you to it by 42 posts.

[giblets]

Yes, let's blame everyone except the genocidal dictator. That works great.

The genocidal dictator we sold weapons to?

[Ecofarm]

I guess they give PhDs to anyone these days. Way to avoid every point I made.

I don't have my PhD yet. I still gotta go to Kenya for a year's research and defend a dissertation.


I thought I addressed you.

Please, specify (and don't just be bitter because I bag on fat people).

[Ecofarm]

The genocidal dictator we sold weapons to?

We sold agricultural anthrax for the vaccination of cattle. If we did not provide the vaccinations, we would have been responsible for the starvation of thousands. Saddam weaponized the vaccine and let people starve.

Now, what is inexcusable is our suport of Iraq and Iran according to whoever was losing, for the purpose of destabilizing the region during the early and mid 80s; however, recently our policy has changed to one of stabilization instead (thankfully).


ps. I actually don't feel bad for this double-post.

[Kuciwalker]

I don't have my PhD yet. I still gotta go to Kenya for a year's research and defend a dissertation.

You'd better get working, because so far you haven't defended "agriculture specializing in gender" very well on here.

[Ecofarm]

To be honest, I'm not real concerned with your criticism. I'm just one of the guys here.


And yes, I'd better get working.

[Riesstiu IV]

What are you supposed to do with an ecology degree?

[Ecofarm]

I'm taking it to become a good developing world farmer (and teach a little public highschool before I go [to give back, again]).

You see, I didn't know I wanted to be a developing world rural farmer until I was in my late 20s, and I didn't grow up on a farm... so I had alot to learn and it seems a PhD is a good way to learn alot in a small period of time (BA, MSc, PhD cand. took ~10 years).


I walk my talk (politically, militarily and intellectually). I'm entirely consistent. To end world poverty (politically and economically), we must reverse the brain drain - a Neoexodus. Go unto those in need and pay them respect.