[serious] Unpopular free speech

[Heraclitus]

If this is meant to mean that a white person, put in the same environment, will behave differently from a black person, you might be a racist...

Of course they will. They'll stay out of the sun a bit more at the very least.


I hope you don't deny that.

[giblets]

Of course they will. They'll stay out of the sun a bit more at the very least.


I hope you don't deny that.

Oh if you want to make judgments regarding skin cancer on the basis of skin color, feel free.

[Heraclitus]

Lower immigration quotas from "dumb" countries, but this should not be considered discrimination somehow?

I said the state shouldn't discriminate against citizens. Other humans are not its responsiblity of a state unless citizens themselves demand goverment to take care of them as well (which you must realize is the case in the Western world to a large extent).

I mentioned this before, and somebody--you? David Floyd? I don't recall--said that the point was not to get so worked up over lower Black test scores, as they have lower potential. That is blatantly racist--you'd be treating children not as individuals with their own potential, but as representatives of their race. If anything, you might categorize people by their actual IQs instead of just assuming the rough correlation "black = dumb," and that would be more sensible. But it's just bad policy to assume children can't rise to a challenge.

I don't think we are speaking about the same things here.

You belive society should provide actual equality not just equality of opportunity am I correct?


You don't see it do you? Group differences aren't merley an academic point if you accept the second premise, since if group differences are reality then you will need to accept that equality of opportunity will not lead to equality (this could easily be about class, sex or age and it often is in such debates so try to abstract here a bit).



High IQ people do better on tests than Low IQ people... but the majority of people from group B are in the lower half of the bell curve of the A+B group, while group A is in the upper half. Group B does worse on tests than group A. Don't you see that differences in test scores that are not beyond the IQ gap between group A and B are nothing to be concerned about? Abstract here please, I'm not talking about Blacks or Asians, I'm talking about A and B. A and B are social constructs! Just like family or sex or species or calss or hair color or whatever! Its a tag we give to cut up reality into little neat pieces. Define group A as the upper half of the bell curve, define group B as the lower half of the bell curve, do you still have a problem with them scoring differently on average on school tests? What if we take group C and group D and define about 2/3s of A to be a part of C as would be a 1/3 of B (and the opposite would apply to D).

Are you upset by score differences between C and D? If so why not since Asian vs. White gap concerns you?

[Heraclitus]

Oh if you want to make judgments regarding skin cancer on the basis of skin color, feel free.

I hope you also agree Andian Indians born and raised on at high altitudes have fever troubles during pregancies compared to Whites, Blacks or Asians living the same life? (slight differences in average lung capacity)

Or do you deny that.

[Chemical Ollie]

He's the Dixie Chicks of the "Black president era", boycotted by private companies afraid of losing customers, topped by a few lunatics making death threats. Just what happened to Dixie Chicks under Bush.

So his organization should rename themselves Chicken Dix

[Heraclitus]

He's the new Dixie Chicks, boycotted by private companies afraid of losing customers and a few lunatics making death threats.

So his organization should rename themself Chicken Dix

Threats of violence deserve a bit more serious treatment than this.

[Chemical Ollie]

Threats of violence deserve a bit more serious treatment than this.

So that didn't happen to Dixie Chicks?

[Heraclitus]

So that didn't happen to Dixie Chicks?

I doubt Jared Taylor or American Reneisance would be helped in any meanigfull way by renaming themselves Chicken Dix.

[Ecofarm]

On a serious note, Jesse knew full well who's hand he was shaking back in March on the National Press Club in DC.

Citation, please. Surely you understand, in such a situation, taking someone's word on that would be stupid.

[Heraclitus]

Citation, please. Surely you understand, in such a situation, taking someone's word on that would be stupid.

I admit I was talking without the facts giving them both the benefit of the doubt (if Jared had done this under false pretenses this would have blown up in his face if Jesse had been misled in such a fashion he would need to da some explaining) when I said that. It seemed likley
Jesse Jackson would have made some complaint over the picture by now if it was taken under false pretenses.


Wiki lists the source of the picture as AmRen. I've googled their site for a few seconds and haven't come up with anything on the context of the picture.

[Ecofarm]

I think finding context, let alone a citation, is nearly impossible. Fact is, celebrities (and let's face facts, that's what Jesse is) take pictures for "fans"; thus, that picture is not worth a thousand words.

[Heraclitus]

Thus, that picture is not worth a thousand words.

Acceptable. It was a cheap prop to begin with, to be fair accusing Jared Taylor of KKKism was also a cheap trick so I felt little need to dignify it with the effort needed to debue it to those slow on the uptake but couldn't let it slide.

[DinoDoc]

Just what happened to Dixie Chicks under Bush.

He insulted his fans while attempting to profit for them in the same instance?

[Elok]

Not going to bother with quoting: aside from the substantial overlap, it's just vicious to give people lower opportunities on the grounds that you think they might not do as much with them. Even if it's true, you're just kicking them while they're down. "Hmm, you look like a lousy golfer. We'd better start you with your ball in the sand pit, keep you from bothering the nice people on the green." And people are individuals, and need to be treated as such. Broad, overarching plans treating humans as vague statistics are a big no-no, if not an outright danger sign.

[Ecofarm]

Any differences in IQ, by group, are socio-economic mistranslations that are overlooked under various agenda.