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And in Germany the Nazis can't talk, and in the UK Michael Savage cannot. Let's not pretend this is about 1 person; this is about freedom and its abridgement. What's next, hate speech crimes committed against the government? Let's put Chavez and Putin in charge? Maybe we need some national ideological police too.
The slippery slope argument would have more sway if the law has not been in place for decades. If anything, more hatespeech has been tolerated since its inception, not less.
If the slippery slope argument is the best you can do, I'm just going to declare victory and walk away.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Apparently the barbaric, violent, surging masses were chanting threats such as this:
Outside students celebrated: "Nananana, nanana, Goodbye Ann Coulter."
God, what a terrifying sight that would be. Can you imagine the terror such a musical chant would instill in Ann?
I've seen far more threatening protests personally by pro-life students infront of the pro-choice displays on campus.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Eco - We wouldn't even let George Galloway into the country.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
The University of Calgary is beefing up security for Ann Coulter's visit on Thursday in light of the raucous demonstrations at the controversial right wing pundit's planned speech in Ottawa Tuesday.
There are no plans to cancel the Calgary event, but security will be "significantly augmented", U of C provost Alan Harrison said.
The university isn't hosting the event, but is providing the venue.
Extra costs will be billed to the organizers, Harrison said.
The venue has seating for about 400.
The purpose of a university is to encourage the exchange of ideas, said Harrison.
"To do anything other than that is to go against, I think, what the university stands for.
"Our concern is to ensure this event goes on smoothly and that she receives the same respect for her opinions as everybody else would expect to receive for theirs," he said.
Harrison said it's not up to the U of C to decide in advance what Coulter might say and whether that is a promotion of hatred.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
If you are discussing why you hate Islam based on facts of Islam, there's no crime at all.
No malfunction, the right wing needs only facts or its a hate crime...
If you go around saying you hate Islam because "Islam is full of child predators and is the enemy, and we must take action now to protect our children", then yes, you are violating the law. Because you are inciting hatred, rather than expressing your own hatred.
But Islam is full of child predators, same with the Catholic Church. And I consider both to be enemies... So saying that would be a crime according to you? Therein lies the problem with "hate speech".
I didn't think this is that complicated a subject, but apparently nuanced laws are too complex for Americans.
Nuanced laws? No, subjective laws that conveniently allow for the authorities to decide who to target - like Ann Coulter vs Michael Moore...
No malfunction, the right wing needs only facts or its a hate crime...
But Islam is full of child predators, same with the Catholic Church. And I consider both to be enemies... So saying that would be a crime according to you? Therein lies the problem with "hate speech".
No, it would not be a crime. I am very much tired of trying to explain this to you, so you will remain hopelessly ignorant of the matter unless you wish to actually read the ****ing law I posted and exercise some common sense.
Nuanced laws? No, subjective laws that conveniently allow for the authorities to decide who to target - like Ann Coulter vs Michael Moore...
You seem to be extremely ****ing confused. No Canadian authorities have ever gone after either Ann Coulter or Michael Moore. Neither have broken a Canadian law (that we know of).
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
They warned her... Thats being targeted. Now you say it aint a crime but I used your example. Hell, I even added another religion to the "full of child predators" accusation (want another, the Mormons). Here is what you said:
If you go around saying you hate Islam because "Islam is full of child predators and is the enemy, and we must take action now to protect our children", then yes, you are violating the law. Because you are inciting hatred, rather than expressing your own hatred.
See? Now why is it a crime when you say it but not when I say it?
Some civilian douche employee at the university informed/warned her of the laws on the books in Canada. No Canadian authority warned or, talked to her, or charged her with anything.
Jesus Christ, why is this so hard?
See? Now why is it a crime when you say it but not when I say it?
Why the **** does it always fall to me to state the obvious to people on this forum?
One is a call to action, the other is an expression of opinion and interpretation of fact. If anything, your comment about the Catholic church being "full of pedophiles" is less questionable than that of Islam -- I'm not aware of any widespread charges of molestation in Islamic circles like there has been in the Catholic church.
The problem here is very simple.
One, you are not very bright.
Two, you do not understand the law (which is quite simple, please re-read it and try real hard).
Three, you are operating under the assumption that the "hate speech" laws in Canada mean it's illegal to express hatred. This is not the case. The origin of the laws come from a desire to prevent genocide and, secondly, prevent society at large from ostracizing a segment of the population (increasing societal tensions) with falsehoods and fearmongering. That is the spirit of the law and, frankly, that's how the law reads in text as well.
It's fine to say you hate Islam. It's not fine to make **** up about it and ask people to help fight people who follow Islam.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
The KEY WORDS you need to FOCUS VERY HARD ON in section 319 are as follows:
incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
The words need to INCITE others, not just an expression of your own hatred. A call to action is an example of inciting.
The other important part is the words need to make it LIKELY that there will be a breach in the peace.
FOR EXAMPLE: "I urge you all to rise up against the scourge of their Jews...they are stealing our jobs and raping our children, we need to force them to close their stores, do whatever it takes" <---------- THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HATE SPEECH WHICH IS ILLEGAL IN CANADA.
"I hate gay people because they are ******s. They're limp-wristed, effeminite pedophiles." <------ THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HATE SPEECH WHICH IS LEGAL IN CANADA.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
That civilian employee is the authority issuing the warning.
One is a call to action
A call to protect children from pedophiles is a hate crime?
If anything, your comment about the Catholic church being "full of pedophiles" is less questionable than that of Islam -- I'm not aware of any widespread charges of molestation in Islamic circles like there has been in the Catholic church.
My God Asher, Islam is about as bad (no, much worse given the scope and nature of the practices) as the Mormons when it comes to marrying off underage girls - its so bad the practice is institutionalized. And if somehow the girl resists she's liable to be raped (honorably) or have some **** thrown in her face for disgracing the family.
The problem here is very simple.
One, you are not very bright.
Two, you do not understand the law (which is quite simple, please re-read it and try real hard).
I quoted you on the law
Under section 319, it is illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation, except where the statements made are true or are made in good faith.
So a bureaucrat will serve as fact checker and mind reader?
Three, you are operating under the assumption that the "hate speech" laws in Canada mean it's illegal to express hatred. This is not the case. The origin of the laws come from a desire to prevent genocide and, secondly, prevent society at large from ostracizing a segment of the population (increasing societal tensions) with falsehoods and fearmongering. That is the spirit of the law and, frankly, that's how the law reads in text as well.
It's fine to say you hate Islam. It's not fine to make **** up about it and ask people to help fight people who follow Islam.
I cant say for a "fact" that Islam sucks... Is that making **** up? And thats the first time you mentioned fighting people. Are you making **** up now?
He is not an authority, he has no legal power whatsoever.
A call to protect children from pedophiles is a hate crime?
If you're trolling, this is tedious.
If you're serious, you're hopeless.
Either way, **** off til you read the law. No patience for this. It's a simple law, you have no excuse.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
He is not an authority, he has no legal power whatsoever.
Make up your mind, are they nobody or a bureaucrat? Apparently he has the legal authority to issue warnings...and I suspect they get to call the cops when those warnings aint heeded. Try abusing a low level bureaucrat and you will learn about their authority...
If you're trolling, this is tedious.
If you're serious, you're hopeless.
Either way, **** off til you read the law. No patience for this. It's a simple law, you have no excuse.
Here is how you defined the law
If you go around saying you hate Islam because "Islam is full of child predators and is the enemy, and we must take action now to protect our children", then yes, you are violating the law.
So its a hate crime to ask people to protect their children from pedophiles...
Make up your mind, are they nobody or a bureaucrat? Apparently he has the legal authority to issue warnings...
What the ****.
Anyone in Canada has the LEGAL AUTHORITY TO SEND LETTERS TO ANYONE.
and I suspect they get to call the cops when those warnings aint heeded.
Cops do not arrest people for violating this. Someone (anyone) can make a Human Rights Tribunal complaint after the fact. It's not like if you say **** on stage the cops march up there and arrest you. It's far more similar to a civil suit than anything else.
What happened was a PRIVATE CITIZEN sent a PRIVATE LETTER to Coulter informing her of the laws in Canada because comments she HAS MADE in the US in the past could definitely be construed as in violation of the law.
Here is how you defined the law
So its a hate crime to ask people to protect their children from pedophiles...
This is so ****ing stupid, it's not worthy of any time to respond to it. The full text of the law is in this thread. ****ing read it, or shut the **** up.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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