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  • We all know it was in the intrest of Democrats to perpetuate poverty...

    ...but now apparently they are just going to officially declare it regardless of reality.

    Obama’s New ‘Poverty’ Measurement
    Setting a new national goal: class warfare.

    This week, the Obama administration announced it will create a new poverty-measurement system that will eventually displace the current poverty measure. This new measure, which has little or nothing to do with actual poverty, will serve as the propaganda tool in Obama’s endless quest to “spread the wealth.”

    Under the new measure, a family will be judged “poor” if its income falls below a certain specified income threshold. Nothing new there, but, unlike the current poverty standards, the new income thresholds will have a built-in escalator clause: They will rise automatically in direct proportion to any rise in the living standards of the average American.

    The current poverty measure counts absolute purchasing power — how much steak and potatoes you can buy. The new measure will count comparative purchasing power — how much steak and potatoes you can buy relative to other people. As the nation becomes wealthier, the poverty standards will increase in proportion. In other words, Obama will employ a statistical trick to ensure that “the poor will always be with you,” no matter how much better off they get in absolute terms.

    The Left has promoted this idea of an ever-rising poverty measure for a long time. It was floated at the beginning of the War on Poverty and flatly rejected by Pres. Lyndon Johnson. Not so President Obama, who consistently seeks to expand the far-left horizons of U.S. politics.

    The weird new poverty measure will produce very odd results. For example, if the real income of every single American were to magically triple over night, the new poverty measure would show there had been no drop in “poverty,” because the poverty income threshold would also triple. Under the Obama system, poverty can be reduced only if the incomes of the “poor” are rising faster than the incomes of everyone else.

    Another paradox of the new poverty measure is that countries such as Bangladesh and Albania will have lower poverty rates than the United States, even though the actual living conditions in those countries are extremely bad. Haiti would probably have a very low poverty rate when measured by the Obama system because the earthquake reduced much of the population to a uniform penniless squalor.

    According to Obama’s measure, economic growth per se has no impact on poverty. Since the beginning of the 20th century, the incomes of nearly all Americans have increased sevenfold, after adjusting for inflation. However, from Obama’s perspective, this increase in real incomes had no impact on poverty, because the wages of those at the bottom of the income distribution did not rise faster than the incomes of those in the middle.

    What has the Obama measure to do with actual poverty? Not much. For most Americans, the word “poverty” suggests destitution: an inability to provide a family with nutritious food, clothing, and reasonable shelter. But only a small number of the 40 million per*sons classified as poor under the government’s current poverty definition fit that description. Most of America’s poor live in material conditions that would have been judged comfortable, or even well-off, two generations ago.

    The government’s own data show that the typical American defined as poor (according to the traditional, pre-Obama poverty measure) has two color televisions, cable or satellite service, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He also has a car, air conditioning, a refrig*erator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had suf*ficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the stark images conveyed by the mainstream media and liberal politicians.

    Clearly, “poverty” as currently defined by the government has little connection with “poverty” as the average American understands it. The new Obama poverty measure will stretch this semantic gap, artificially swelling the number of “poor” Americans, and severing any link between the government’s concept of poverty and even modest deprivation.

    In honest English, the new system will measure income inequality, not poverty. Why not just call it an “inequality” index? Answer: because the American voter is unwilling to support massive welfare increases, soaring deficits, and tax increases to equalize incomes. However, if the goal of income leveling is camouflaged as a desperate struggle against poverty, hunger, and dire deprivation, then the political prospects improve. The new measure is a public-relations Trojan horse, smuggling in a “spread the wealth” agenda under the ruse of fighting real material privation — a condition that is rare in our society.

    True, the new Obama measure will not, at present, alter benefits or expand eligibility for welfare programs. But the new measure does establish a new philosophy of poverty. For the first time, the government is planning to define poverty as a problem that can never be solved by the American dream: a general rise of incomes of all Americans across society over time. By definition, poverty can now be solved only by the dream of the Left: massive taxes on the upper and middle classes and redistribution to the less affluent. In effect, the Obama poverty measure sets a new national goal of class warfare and income redistribution.

    Of course, massive “wealth spreading” is already under way. This year, government will spend some $900 billion on means-tested aid for the poor and low-income persons, around $9,000 for each American in the low-income third of the population. According to the Left, that’s not nearly enough. The new poverty measure will use deception to promote a much larger welfare state. Taxpayers, beware.
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    Last edited by Patroklos; March 10, 2010, 11:07.
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    Um, it's "there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics." At least, that's how I remember it going. And you might want to provide a link to an unbiased source for the change in poverty definitions.
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    • #3
      Ah, forgot. Added.
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      • #4
        This new measure, which has little or nothing to do with actual poverty, will serve as the propaganda tool in Obama’s endless quest to “spread the wealth.”


        Dude, Patty, do you think we're all idiots?

        Find a real source. This article only serves as a propaganda tool in the National Review's endless quest to "**** the poor."
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Elok View Post
          And you might want to provide a link to an unbiased source for the change in poverty definitions.
          Do you really need a different source to tell you that the definition of poverty is going to be changed by the Obama Admin? I can see disagreeing with the NR's analysis of its meaning and impact but it seems a little paranoid to be suspicious that an event that has been in the news even happned.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Asher View Post
            This new measure, which has little or nothing to do with actual poverty, will serve as the propaganda tool in Obama’s endless quest to “spread the wealth.”


            Dude, Patty, do you think we're all idiots?

            Find a real source. This article only serves as a propaganda tool in the National Review's endless quest to "**** the poor."
            The National Review is a peer reviewed and academically sound source. Are you denying that the change is taking place?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
              The National Review is a peer reviewed and academically sound source. Are you denying that the change is taking place?
              Why the **** are you channeling Ben?

              No, I just gagged reading the first paragraph and stopped. Don't pretend like The National Review is a credible source.

              Look at the ****ing photoshop on their front page:


              Look at the ****ing language in the opening paragraph.

              It describes itself as:
              "America's most widely read and influential magazine and web site for Republican/conservative news, commentary, and opinion."


              Don't ****ing patronize me.

              They probably are changing the poverty line, which is a pretty normal thing to do over the years. I'm asking for a real source, not a fearmongering right-wing opinion piece which plays fast and loose with the truth in the opening sentences.
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              • #8
                National Review is a raving partisan source.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #9
                  From what I read from googling, Obama is adjusting the
                  fifty year-old poverty line to reflect the costs of housing, health care, transportation, proper nutrition, childcare and taxes, along with the extra income households receive from food stamps, housing vouchers and other forms of public support.


                  I don't see what the **** is wrong with that.

                  I've also read that the changes were 100% inline with recommendations made by the nonpartisan National Academy of Sciences.

                  The prior mark of $22K annual income for a family of four was ridiculously low.
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                  • #10
                    before this thread derails completly i would like to ask what this really change? i mean the numbers are still there right? so if fox or who ever want to use the old system nothing is stoping them.
                    the article even mention that it doesnt change the way benefits or eligibility works. seems to me it would be better to just point out that it is window dressing rather then playing the oh-god-communist card.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher View Post
                      Why the **** are you channeling Ben?

                      No, I just gagged reading the first paragraph and stopped. Don't pretend like The National Review is a credible source.

                      Look at the ****ing photoshop on their front page:


                      Look at the ****ing language in the opening paragraph.

                      It describes itself as:
                      "America's most widely read and influential magazine and web site for Republican/conservative news, commentary, and opinion."


                      Don't ****ing patronize me.

                      They probably are changing the poverty line, which is a pretty normal thing to do over the years. I'm asking for a real source, not a fearmongering right-wing opinion piece which plays fast and loose with the truth in the opening sentences.
                      If Patty wants to live in the fantasy world that National Review is unbiased, that's within his right to do so.
                      Last edited by MrFun; March 10, 2010, 14:58.
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                      • #12
                        Patty. Not Ogie.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Asher View Post
                          Patty. Not Ogie.
                          Yelping from the sidelines is a hard job. Sometimes you get mixed up about who you are supposed to be insulting. He is trying his best.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sprayber View Post
                            Yelping from the sidelines is a hard job. Sometimes you get mixed up about who you are supposed to be insulting. He is trying his best.
                            Ouch if that is his best.
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                            • #15
                              It's as if they trying to deny decades of debate over the definition of poverty in this country.
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