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  • #76
    Originally posted by Joseph View Post
    There were 2 guys on the interview. But they worked for the KGB section that was required to supply names. The 2 guys were in their 70s or 80s about 2 years ago. Stalin died in 1953. I remember the hearing the Radio brodcast, and yes I knew who Stalin was. I was 9 at that time.
    Stalin's purges were in the 1930's. If your guys were 80 in 2008 they would have been kids at the time. Even if they were referring to Stalin's activities during WW 2 they would have been mere teenagers at the time. Stalin did very little purging after WW2.

    Oh, and the Soviet spy network was called the NKVD during Stalin's day.
    "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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    • #77
      Actually NKVD was not a spy network. The abbreviation NKVD stands for Narodnyi Kommisarriat Vnutrennih Del = the Ministery of Internal Affairs.

      Still KGB didn't even exist neither in 30's or 50's.
      But people like Ned just eat such kind of bullsh!t without a doubt. That's sad.
      On the other hand it's good to know that there are other people who can think for themselves, instead of buying crap from TV.

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      • #78
        Names don't mean much, it's the functions that matter. Wiki says they were the spies/secret police, after the Cheka but before some other damned acronym. That sounds about right based on my (fuzzily remembered) prior reading of history; Stalin went through a lot of spooks IIRC, purging each in turn.

        And if everything we have on Russian history is just lies and propaganda, well, the Cherokee moved themselves west, it had nothing to do with us. The nisei volunteered to fill those camps. And you can't prove we flew out of Saigon with our tails between our legs, can you?
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Elok View Post
          And you can't prove we flew out of Saigon with our tails between our legs, can you?
          That needs a proof?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Elok View Post
            Names don't mean much, it's the functions that matter. Wiki says they were the spies/secret police,
            NKVD was always a minestery of internal affairs. SMERSH was a counter-intellegence/spy network.
            after the Cheka but before some other damned acronym.
            KGB (Ñommittee of State Security) was a successor of MGB (Minestery of State Security created in 50's).

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            • #81
              Originally posted by One_more_turn View Post
              It was very dangerous to work for Stalin, not so for Hitler.
              Except for guys like Röhm.
              Blah

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              • #82
                Röhm was a gay.

                p.s. as well the rest of the nazis though.

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                • #83
                  Ecofarm, I'm mostly talking about the communists here. I just thought that if you've got a clear majority of people voting for people who fundamentally aren't democrats, then it sort of makes sense to say they've practically voted away their democracy, even if the would-be dictators hate each other even more than they hate the political centre.

                  Now we turn to germanos -

                  Originally posted by germanos View Post
                  No, they didn't.
                  Yes they did.

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                  • #84
                    Well, I'm happy we got that sorted out
                    "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                    "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                    • #85
                      Maybe we can all agree that Stalin had a bigger ...errm.. moustache than Hitler.
                      Blah

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by germanos View Post
                        Well, I'm happy we got that sorted out
                        No, we didn't.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Monk View Post
                          No, we didn't.
                          "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                          "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                          • #88
                            I'm mostly talking about the communists here.

                            Communists = despotists? I don't remember anything in the manifesto about necessary despotism. I remember plenty of ignorance regarding ecologic justice, materialism fixation of an infantile-level, mortally-deficient social progress theory and idealism of a religious sort... but I don't remember Marx supporting despotism.
                            Last edited by Ecofarm; March 8, 2010, 18:22.
                            Everybody knows...Democracy...One of Us Cannot be Wrong...War...Fanatics

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                            • #89
                              Communists = despotists!!! You dumbass.

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                              • #90
                                How does a dictator fit into a classless society, and don't give me that "dictatorship of proletariat = hitler" crap. Communism has never existed, like the free market (informed consumers and [external] market inclusiveness). It's a nice little utopia that tempered with realism and practicality yields progress. People voting for Communism are not voting for Stalinism, they're just useful idiots/idealists; it's like voting for freedom or heaven.


                                I'm wasting my time, right; someone else might answer.
                                Last edited by Ecofarm; March 8, 2010, 19:07.
                                Everybody knows...Democracy...One of Us Cannot be Wrong...War...Fanatics

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