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    Now Another Left Wing Country Rations Power

    This time, it's China's turn. Tell me again about you socialism works?

    More China provinces plan power rationing -report
    Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:30am GMT

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    BEIJING, Jan 15 (Reuters) - A rising number of Chinese provinces are preparing to introduce power rationing as electricity supplies lag behind demand amid harsh winter weather, local media reported on Friday, citing Zhang Ping, head of the National Development and Reform Commission.

    Power rationing in six provinces totalled 13.9 gigawatts (GW) as of Dec. 12, the China Business News reported, citing data from the commission.

    The recent power shortages were most prominent in central China and power supplies would remain tight in the region as well as some provinces in northern China in the first quarter, the report said, citing forecasts from State Grid Corp of China, China's leading grid operator.

    Coal stocks at major coal-fired power plants, which generate about 80 percent of China's power output, have been at 17-month lows in recent days as harsh weather, strained transportation, insufficient coal production and rising coal prices curbed stockpiling at power plants.

    In addition to calls to coal and gas producers to ramp up production and shipments, Beijing was also encouraging increased coal and natural gas imports to counter power shortages across the country, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.[ID:nSGE60E026]

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  • #2
    When was the last time China resembled a communist nation?
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    • #3
      China should spin this as a greenhouse gas reduction plan.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Theben View Post
        When was the last time China resembled a communist nation?
        During Mao.
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        • #5
          As I understand it, electricity generation is still one of those items that is under central control more or less.
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          • #6
            I guess no one here is old enough to remember California's electrical energy crisis about 10 years ago.
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            • #7
              Someone please inform Floyd that developing nations or third-world nations may not have the power generating capacity to keep up with increasing load, or money to buy power when they need it like the USA does.

              These threads are ridiculously stupid. Only a complete and utter idiot would repeatedly make these threads and then assert it's all socialism's fault.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS View Post
                As I understand it, electricity generation is still one of those items that is under central control more or less.
                Looks like they have a bunch of government-owned companies doing power generation and distribution. It's identical to the situation we had recently (or still have) in North America. I know when Alberta first fully privatized electricity we had a bunch of issues including blackouts and lack of capacity...I guess I should've made Poly threads about it to illustrate why capitalism will always fail.
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                • #9
                  Can't speak for any other part of North America, but the vast majority of US electricity generation and distribution companies have never been government-owned. Just heavily regulated by the states.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    What's the difference? The States control how much power they generate and how much they sell it for...the only difference is the profits go to private companies and not back to the government?
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                    • #11
                      There is a difference in fact. As Adam Smith (RIP) was fond of pointing out from time to time, the latest research finds that an unregulated company is more efficient at providing goods and services than a regulated company, and a regulated company is more efficient than a government-owned company.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        So efficiency in financials.

                        How about something relevant to the context of the thread, which is what I was going for...
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                        • #13
                          You can't divorce the "financial efficiency" from the adequate provision of electricity generation. It just doesn't work that way.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanS View Post
                            You can't divorce the "financial efficiency" from the adequate provision of electricity generation. It just doesn't work that way.
                            Sure you can, especially in the context of comparing it to a state-run "communist" company.

                            Are there any statistics on that by the way?

                            Alberta's power cost went through the roof with de-regulation. Find it funny that a study that's supposedly reputable would claim the opposite.
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                            • #15
                              Well they said it was simply more efficient. Government owned power companies may heavily subsidize costs, but that doesn't make them more efficient, per se.
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