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  • 787 First Flight is Today

    I'm geeky, so sue me.

    Will be watching the live stream. IT WILL BE EXCITING.



    I do love the wings on this thing. So elegant.

    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    • #3
      It really looks like a nice plane. It's a shame that it is two years late because of management failures.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        @ Heraclitus



        It's a groundbreaking new plane. I would ask you to suck it if I were not worried about your cold sores.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DanS View Post
          It really looks like a nice plane. It's a shame that it is two years late because of management failures.
          I'm mostly looking forward to the increased comforts. Much lower cabin noise, cleaner air, lower pressurized altitude in the cabin (6000 ft vs 8000), some humidity in the air, bigger windows, LED lighting, etc.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #6
            Big ups on the increased cabin air humidity. Flying in planes gives me fits for days because of the dry air.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #7
              In another plane generation or so, the cabin pressure of the plane will match that of Calgary (3500ft). No ears popping.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                Why do they want to increase cabin pressurization? It's never been an issue for me. The relative humidity is definitely a problem, though.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
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                • #9
                  After more than two years of delays, Boeing's 787 Dreamliner made its maiden flight Tuesday in a three-hour trip that the maker described as a success.


                  Boeing Dreamliner ready for maiden flight

                  Everett, Washington (CNN) -- Fighting its way through more than two years of delays, Boeing's latest aircraft, the 787 Dreamliner, is scheduled to take its maiden flight Tuesday.

                  "We think it's a game changer because it provides so much value to the customer," Jim Albaugh, Boeing executive vice president and CEO, said in a CNN interview. "We think this is going to be a very efficient airplane. It's going to change the way people travel."

                  Despite the delays, Boeing's first new commercial airliner in over a decade will still be relevant, Albaugh said Monday.

                  "It's more environmentally friendly, it's more efficient, uses less fuel, it's going to cost the operator less to fly, it's going to allow the passengers to pay less and feel better when they land."

                  Boeing's claims of the Dreamliner's much-touted efficiency are tied to its design. It's the first major airliner to be made of mostly composite materials. Boeing has staked its reputation on claims that the aircraft's relatively lighter, faster body will save airlines up to 20 percent in fuel costs.

                  The company also says the new material will hold up better to the wear and tear of flight than traditional aluminum. Boeing says it has orders for more than 850 of the planes, which officially sell for around $150 million each.

                  Depending on the configuration, the Dreamliner can seat between 200 to 300 passengers and can travel more than 2,500 nautical miles. The target market is carriers traveling point-to-point international routes.

                  But despite the promise of a new more efficient airplane, production delays and technical problems have stolen some of the Dreamliner's luster.

                  Many of the delays and snags in the supply line with the first Dreamliners have been blamed on the army of partners Boeing brought in to help with the construction.

                  "They did too much outsourcing, too soon, with too little oversight," said Scott Hamilton of the aviation consulting firm Leeham Co. "The customers have been mightily (upset) over the creeping delays."

                  Albaugh conceded that "in hindsight" the large amount of outsourcing done with the 787 was not the best strategy. "There a few things we might have kept inside, yes."

                  Even though 787s won't start flying passenger routes until at least 2011, Boeing executives said they hope a successful first flight will at least begin to quell doubts over the future of airplane production at the company.

                  The test flight "is going to validate the airplane to an extent," Albaugh said. "We've got 10 months of flight tests in front of us. ... There's a lot of work to do."

                  For Tuesday's scheduled test flight, the Dreamliner will take off from the hanger where it was assembled in Everett, Washington, and undergo a battery of tests during a five-hour flight before landing some 40 miles away at Boeing Field just south of downtown Seattle.

                  "We are going to shake this airplane out to demonstrate that it can do everything we've advertised it to do," Albaugh said.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                    Why do they want to increase cabin pressurization? It's never been an issue for me. The relative humidity is definitely a problem, though.
                    They've found it significantly improves passenger comfort in tests. The humidity thing is huge, though...for people who aren't used to dry climates like I am.
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                    • #11
                      Depending on the configuration, the Dreamliner can seat between 200 to 300 passengers and can travel more than 2,500 nautical miles.


                      Errr...yeah, I hope so.

                      NYC-LON is ~3500 miles = ~3000 nautical miles
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                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
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                      • #12
                        Yeah.



                        The 787-9 can go 8,000 – 8,500 NM (14,800 – 15,750 km), capacity of 250–290
                        787-8 goes 7,650 – 8,200 NM (14,200 – 15,200 km), capacity of 210–250

                        Air Canada has 37 firm orders for 787s. Going to replace the entire 767 fleet.
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                        • #13
                          There's some other milestones in the plane also. IIRC it's the first plane to not use bleed-air from the engines, and it also replaces hydraulics with electrical subsystems. And the plane is 50% composite material, of course.
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                          • #14
                            Yeah, you can't seriously call something an international configuration unless it's got 6000+ nm range

                            IIRC 8000+ nm is high relative to the current generation (~7500?)
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                              Yeah, you can't seriously call something an international configuration unless it's got 6000+ nm range

                              IIRC 8000+ nm is high relative to the current generation (~7500?)
                              It's replacing the 767 (mach 0.80):

                              767-300ER (218-350 people): 5,975 nmi (11,065 km)
                              767-200ER (181-255 people): 6,590 nmi (12,200 km)

                              It also competes with the A330 (mach 0.82):

                              A330-200 (253-293 people): 6,749 NM (12,500 km)
                              A330-300 (295-335 people): 5,669 NM (10,500 km)

                              The 787 (mach 0.85), for direct comparison:
                              787-8 (210-250 people): 7,650 – 8,200 NM (14,200 – 15,200 km)
                              787-9 (250-290 pepole): 8,000 – 8,500 NM (14,800 – 15,750 km)
                              Last edited by Asher; December 15, 2009, 14:26.
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