Would you rather be Welsh or dead

[Boris Godunov]

Possibly, but we don't actually know that do we...?

The English subjugation of Wales was a foregone conclusion since the time of Lewellyn Fawr. It was just a matter of which English king was going to get it done.

Born in Wales, therefore Welsh.

Monmouth Castle had been held by the English since the mid-13th century. This is like saying Andrew Jackson was a Waxhaws Indian because he happened to be born on land they once owned.

She was the last of the Tudors, of course...

Of course, I'm just not sure what your initial statement is supposed to mean.

[Drake Tungsten]

good Welshmen

The ones who were brave enough to march off to be slaughtered by their English betters. The Welsh today are the descendants of cowards and traitorous harlots.

[MOBIUS]

The English subjugation of Wales was a foregone conclusion since the time of Lewellyn Fawr. It was just a matter of which English king was going to get it done.

Possibly, who knows. Imagine if, for example, Llywelyn waited until Edward's difficulties with Scotland before getting all uppity?

Also, Glyndwr came out of nowhere and 1405, with his alliance with the French could have been so different if there had actually been a battle at Worcester...

Monmouth Castle had been held by the English since the mid-13th century. This is like saying Andrew Jackson was a Waxhaws Indian because he happened to be born on land they once owned.

Still Welsh...

Of course, I'm just not sure what your initial statement is supposed to mean.

TUDOR. Harri Tudur (aka Henry VII) was the Welsh victor at the battle of Bosworth Field over Richard III and seized the English throne by right of conquest.

Consequently Henry VIII and Elizabeth I are also Welsh - hence she had a lot to answer for by not leaving any heirs...

[Felch]

She was beaten repeatedly with an ugly stick. It's tough for Welsh girls to be anything but nauseating.

[Boris Godunov]

Possibly, who knows. Imagine if, for example, Llywelyn waited until Edward's difficulties with Scotland before getting all uppity?

It would have delayed the inevitable? England wasn't going to let Wales remain independent, simple as that. And it had the resources that Wales could never muster.

Still Welsh...

If so, then this:

TUDOR. Harri Tudur (aka Henry VII) was the Welsh victor at the battle of Bosworth Field over Richard III and seized the English throne by right of conquest.

Consequently Henry VIII and Elizabeth I are also Welsh - hence she had a lot to answer for by not leaving any heirs...

Is utter nonsense, since none of these people were born in Wales. Henry VII was only 1/4 Welsh, and the others even less so.

I know Welsh accomplishments are so sparse that you feel you must steal other country's monarchs, but really it's pathetic...

If anything, these examples are proof that the further one gets away from being Welsh, the more successful one will be.

[Provost Harrison]

Dead.

[Mablir Dorlig]

Either option has to be a 1000 times preferable to being English

[Theben]

Giving away fir trees is against govt policy?

[Dauphin]

Either option has to be a 1000 times preferable to being English

Too right, having the Scots to the north, Welsh and Irish to the west, and French to the south would be a nightmare.

[Provost Harrison]

Either option has to be a 1000 times preferable to being English

Oooh, and where are you from with a name like that? Or is it just written backwards?

[Cort Haus]

Born in Wales, therefore Welsh.

Under which principal you are, of course, French.

[Wezil]

Oooh, and where are you from with a name like that? Or is it just written backwards?

Wherever they are they are using the preferred language.

[MOBIUS]

Under which principal you are, of course, French.

In the eyes of the law, that is also true, yes. So thank you for helping prove my argument yet further.

(BTW, 'principle', not 'principal'.)