Did I miss the thread about the CRU Fraud?

[HalfLotus]

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CRU's programming 'below commercial standards'

I can't decipher code, but the annotations and a readme file released from CRU seemed pretty weak. IT analysis seems critical as well.

[KrazyHorse]

No **** the code used in academic research falls below commercial standards. Are you a ****ing moron?

[Lorizael]

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CRU's programming 'below commercial standards'

I can't decipher code, but the annotations and a readme file released from CRU seemed pretty weak. IT analysis seems critical as well.

Err, of course it is. Their code doesn't need to run on a thousand different machines, doesn't need to be standards-compliant, doesn't need to worry about hogging up system resources, doesn't need to be bug-free... it just needs to translate the false data the scientists enter into world domination by... somebody.

[HalfLotus]

Also this from Copenhagen:

Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak

Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement that would hand more power to rich nations, sideline the UN's negotiating role and abandon the Kyoto protocol.

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The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment"

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The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol's principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions."
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"It is being done in secret. Clearly the intention is to get [Barack] Obama and the leaders of other rich countries to muscle it through when they arrive next week. It effectively is the end of the UN process,"

And the EPA declared C02 a "Very Bad Thing" (VBT) recently. So stop breathing before you get a ticket from the enviro-police.

[Kuciwalker]

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CRU's programming 'below commercial standards'

I can't decipher code, but the annotations and a readme file released from CRU seemed pretty weak. IT analysis seems critical as well.

[KrazyHorse]

Kuci, apparently academic research scientists don't comment their code well, and don't follow proper standards in software design. Are you as shocked as I am?

[Lorizael]

HalfLotus, I made a thread for you. Please come to it.

[HalfLotus]

So multi-trillion dollar carbon schemes and the restructuring of the entire global economy, not to mention social and political life are based on shoddy climate models and massaged data. I'm having a hard time clicking the lol smiley.

[Lorizael]

So multi-trillion dollar carbon schemes and the restructuring of the entire global economy, not to mention social and political life are based on shoddy climate models and massaged data.

Yes, but essentially all science is based on "shoddy" models and "massaged" data. The models are shoddy because scientists only need their code to do the one task they ask it to do, and the data is massaged because the raw data you collect in one place doesn't always match the raw data you collect in another place.

[KrazyHorse]

Once more you prove yourself to be an idiot. An excellent model can be implemented using code that does not come close to passing standards for commercial, production code. ****ing moron.

[HalfLotus]

scientists only need their code to do the one task they ask it to do

Precisely.

[Lorizael]

You and I are on the same page, HalfLotus. I also think the CRU scientists have designed code that will masterfully lead to a world dictatorship where... somebody... is ruling over... uh... everyone else?

[HalfLotus]

You underestimate lust for power and people's ability to be greatly deceived. A relevant quote and historical example might be helpful:

"In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying." -Adolf Hitler

[Lorizael]

Ugh. Weak. That's all it took for you to Godwinize the thread?

Who, exactly, do the climate alarmists want gassed? And why would they go through this long and convoluted method of gassing a particular segment of the population when they could just do it the relatively straightforward way that Hitler did it?

[notyoueither]

Yes, but essentially all science is based on "shoddy" models and "massaged" data. The models are shoddy because scientists only need their code to do the one task they ask it to do, and the data is massaged because the raw data you collect in one place doesn't always match the raw data you collect in another place.

If that's standard science, and everything the CRU did is standard, why resist sharing it?