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  • How many Iraqi civilian casualties are acceptable?

    Here's the hypothetical: The input to your Invasion Machine is Iraq circa 2002, the output is Iraq circa 2022. Iraq at the time of output is basically a smaller poorer version of the United States, with roughly the same level of political corruption, murder rate, education, infant mortality, etc., with a lower GDP per capita and perhaps a slight adjustment in corruption/murder/education/etc. to reflect this. Elections are about as free and open as are the elections in the US, i.e. Iraq is not a puppet/client state.

    Recent history has shown that in the process of ostensibly making life better for some you've got to accidentally shoot and bomb others, the question here is how many people you're allowed to accidentally shoot/bomb before the ends no longer justify the means. Just to put the poll numbers in perspective, current estimates peg the number of civilian casualties in Iraq at about 90-100K.

    Keep in mind that these are civilians we're talking about, not unlawful combatants or insurgents or terrorists or whatever. If it helps then just go ahead and assume that they're all toddlers or grade schoolers or whatever.
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    11-100
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    101-1,000
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    1,001-10,000
    5.26%
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    10,001-30,000
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    30,001-60,000
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    60,001-100,000
    5.26%
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    100,001-150,000
    5.26%
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    150,001-200,000
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    200,001-300,000
    5.26%
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    300,001-500,000
    6.32%
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    500,001-750,000
    5.26%
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    750,001-1,000,000
    5.26%
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    1,000,000-2,000,000
    5.26%
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    More than 2,000,000
    15.79%
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    As many as it takes to learn not to accept terrorists that dress like them, hide in their neighborhoods and give terrorists comfort.
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    • #3
      I guess a lot more Americans need to die.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
        As many as it takes to learn not to accept terrorists that dress like them, hide in their neighborhoods and give terrorists comfort.
        Sometimes you're even dumber than Ben.
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        • #5
          You're constantly ignorant. You constantly ask things of which you have no background, yet are unwilling to accept an answer.
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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          • #6
            All of them.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
              As many as it takes to learn not to accept terrorists that dress like them, hide in their neighborhoods and give terrorists comfort.
              Right - as if terrorists ask those in their communities nicely, and give people a choice as to whether they will support them.
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              • #8
                Well, Mr. History Guru, there are many instances of resistance by people, even the French.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                  Well, Mr. History Guru, there are many instances of resistance by people, even the French.
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                  • #10
                    Well, how many American civilian casualties are allowed before they finally understand that the Arab world doesn't want to be Westernized (yet).

                    1 plane ? 2 planes ? ...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                      Sometimes you're even dumber than Ben.
                      QFT

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                      • #12
                        What is the relevant discount factor for the time value of human life (that is, what relative value is a good life in 20 years compared to a good life today)?
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                        • #13
                          This looks like a typical Euroweenie thread

                          Plus there aren't even any civilians in Iraq
                          Blah

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                          • #14
                            Exactly 4 people and I can name them!

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                            • #15
                              Is this how many civilians Americans kill, or just get killed in general? Most of the civilian casualties were killed by Iraqis.
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