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[zakubandit]

Now I am curious where the deduction that interrogation done by our experts did not produce anything. Where did that come from? Were any of you the information analysts or present for said interrogations? Real soldiers do not work for civilians, Blau, we serve and defend civilians. Yes when I was tasked to work with contractors regardless of what the task was I was still required to treat them with the same respect as I gave other civilians and contractors, sir ma'am. BUT, Blau you should know this, DoD contractors hold GS levels that add out to equivalents of officer rank, thus they do offer authority...where in contrast, and as was the assumption by the poster before, was that due to civilians being tax payers and in turn our paycheck that they are in turn granted authority over soldiers. That is incorrect, as no civilian offers authority to give orders unless authorized by DoD and/or Congress.

If I seem unreal it is because I don't bite my tongue, or has that not been apparent. If you don't want to read my posts I could give 2 ****s, don't read them, print them out and wipe your ass with them.

Solom, please quote me on where I said that I see soldiers as murders. I see terrorists and insurgents for the murderers they are. I believe soldiers should be allowed to do their jobs. Yes what our side does should not be a reflection of what the enemy does...but what is wrong and what hurts soldiers in the long run is when the enemy gets more vicious (ie; women suicide bombers) and we tie our own hands more (ie; no shooting until confirmed that insurgents are actually shooting at you) then people die. When our side is not permitted to wage war as war is intended to be waged then we lose lives. When our enemy has no consideration for who lives and dies but our guys get blamed for a few accidental civilian deaths at the price of taking down a high command of the bad guys...that is just malarkey. Civilians bad mouth soldiers constantly, they purposely go after soldiers and do not allow them to do their jobs the way they need to. I do not condone what was done at Abu Ghraib by the jailers, but when civilians go out with the intent to make sure they catch every **** up that happens you get the entire force under a magnifying glass...and what happens then? Pvt. Snuffy can't wipe his ass the way he wants to without it being scrutinized. Sgt. Loudass can't order his guys to lay suppressive fire on a house where fire is coming from because there may be civilians in it. Lt. Dumbass can't fire his 120mm at an on coming car that refuses to slow down for a check point...and what is the end result of what happens when soldiers can't kill the enemy? They kill us. Notation: CP's, patrols, etc.

Blau, if you mean to say you serve then I give you the respectful agree to disagree. If indeed you served (as I am questioned I believe I am justified to question others) then you also have a better understanding of what the real world is like. And if you mean to refute my opinion and experience, then please do so with your experiences. Fill me in on what it was you did, what you went through that granted you your perspective. And if you were an E-7 or above...well politics usually got in the way after the 6.

[Lul Thyme]

It was the same way with Giancarlo - there's no point addressing zaku/fez seriously because they're so far gone in their own world, there's no point in ignoring them because that only works if everybody ignores them (it only takes one person blithely quoting their idiocy to defeat the ignore function), they're not going to get banned because only Asher gets banned, so you might as well try to make the most of their malignant presence.

I'm not necessarily talking about the ignore function. I don't have Ben Kenobi on ignore (it's mostly useless, as you say), yet I don't reply to his posts.
You're also correct that they only need one person responding to them to keep going (although maybe they don't even need one, we've never really tried...), I still think that every person that is responding to them is at least partly "guilty" of whatever follow, especially if it's someone who should know better by now.

[Zevico]

It was the same way with Giancarlo - there's no point addressing zaku/fez seriously because they're so far gone in their own world, there's no point in ignoring them because that only works if everybody ignores them (it only takes one person blithely quoting their idiocy to defeat the ignore function), they're not going to get banned because only Asher gets banned, so you might as well try to make the most of their malignant presence.

Yeah but Fez was real. We're arguing with a sock puppet.

[Solomwi]

Here:

but I am curious to know how you draw your conclusion that some murderers deserve to die and some do not.

Since the only people for whom I've mentioned deserved consequences are our soldiers who go off the reservation, those are the only people your quote can possibly refer to, unless you were either lying about what I said or couldn't understand it enough to follow along. Judging by the rest of your post, I'm leaning toward option C.

[zakubandit]

Ok I will reference for you what I mean

terrorist=murderer
soldier=soldier/warrior
insurgent=murderer
enemy soldier=depending on leadership soldier or just following orders (historical reference, Nazi Germany combat soldiers...though not all sadistic or evil, just followed orders )

[Solomwi]

So were you lying or confused, then? I must say I was disappointed, but not surprised, given your past lack of respect for those Americans who serve in the military, to see you call our boys murderers. I'm less disappointed, and far less surprised, to see you trying to weasel out of it now. You're pathetic, zakudl.