Poverty in America

[DaShi]

If a poor person kills a rich person, is he a success?

[David Floyd]

While, hypothetically, he would be, in the real world poor people only succeed at failing, so the most likely outcome of a poor person trying to kill a rich person would, predictably, be failure.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yep, that's why we have laws against murder and laws that allow me to shoot someone in self defense.

Yes, that worked for France in 1789

[DaShi]

What if he became rich by such an action?

[David Floyd]

Imran,

Muzzle loaders can't hold back the mob. Give the French Army machine guns and see what happens. Well, change "French" to "anyone else", as the French fail as much as poor people.

DaShi,

But you're missing the point. If poor people fail so much they can't even kill a rich person, then any hypothetical reward for doing so is moot.

Face it, poor people suck. Cut off the welfare trough, and watch the problem go away

[Lorizael]

Only a liberal would claim that generating wealth doesn't equate to social utility.

To clarify, generating wealth is not the whole of social utility. And there are those that can have social utility but lack the ability to generate wealth. Systems where wealth is the only measure by which one can survive, however, prevent these individuals from providing social utility.

[David Floyd]

All I heard was liberal prattle. From now on, let's establish a general rule: If your post doesn't promote getting rich, getting laid, getting drunk, or making fun of something or someone, just assume it's worthless post and don't make it.

[loinburger]

DF is quickly changing this from a 1-star thread into a 5-star thread.

[David Floyd]

I think the turning point was my advocacy of concentration camps for poor people

[Patroklos]

Yes, that worked for France in 1789

It wasn't the starving poor that were the problem in 1789, it was a somewhat less starving and very opportunistic middle class that was the problem.

[Veritass]

I love this one from the supporting statistics:

--Twenty-one states and the District of Columbia had higher poverty rates than the national average...

Just under half the states were above the average! Shocking! Something must be done!

[rah]

Of course McFun could have posted a story that had a point. That Obama lied again.

CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer
3:17 p.m. CDT, September 29, 2009
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WASHINGTON (AP) — One of President Barack Obama's health care "horror stories" is about a woman who, he says, lost her health insurance on the verge of breast cancer surgery because she didn't disclose a case of acne to the insurer. That's not what happened.

Robin Lynn Beaton, 59, of Waxahachie, Texas, indeed had her insurance suspended and then terminated when she needed it the most. Hers is a cautionary tale about how an insurance company can act in a seemingly arbitrary manner to revoke coverage for lifesaving treatment.

But not for the reasons Obama cites.

She "was about to get a double mastectomy when her insurance company canceled her policy because she forgot to declare a case of acne," he said in one telling.

Beaton did not lose her insurance because she failed to own up to a skin problem in her past. She lost it because, when enrolling in the plan, she had not reported a previous heart condition and did not list her weight accurately.

Obama tells stories of real-life hardships repeatedly, in his speech to a joint session of Congress, in interviews and at his citizen meetings across the country in support of his campaign to rework medical insurance. Beaton's case is just one cited by Obama that mixes fact with fiction.

In reflexively blaming insurance companies, Obama is playing into fears that have become a frightening reality for many Americans. Health insurance under the current system is not always the rock-solid guarantee you think you're paying for.

Especially, it turns out, when you don't fill everything out just right.

In Beaton's case, the insurance company opened an investigation after her visit to a dermatologist and just before her scheduled breast cancer surgery, forcing postponement of her operation almost on the eve of it. The earlier problems on her enrollment form were discovered and her coverage was canceled.

To some lawmakers, that's outrageous enough — never mind the acne story.

Rep. Joe Barton, Beaton's Republican congressman in Texas, fought the insurer until it restored her coverage, enabling her to get the surgery 10 weeks after it was postponed. She told The Associated Press she owes Barton and his aides her life.


Not only did Obama lie again, but he continues to use FEAR to push his agenda. Something that everyone says is exclusive to repugs. OBVIOUSLY wrong.

I'm glad that there was a repug there to actually help her.

They're also reporting inconsistencies in one of his other examples. The man is just another proven LIAR

[Lorizael]

I hate hate hate the personal stories politicians tell to pull our heart strings. They're so artificial. That said, I doubt Obama lied. My guess is that his researchers weren't thorough enough and presented him and his speechwriters with incomplete information.

That's bad, of course, but not at all unusual and not entirely his fault. I'd rather him doing the business of running the country than worrying about details of a stupid human interest story.

[rah]

Agreed, but the dems made such a big deal when Bush was caught doing something similar so I thought it would be fun to bring it up here.

[Lorizael]

Glad to see you taking the high ground.