Justice John Roberts is a judicial activist of the worst kind.

[Kuciwalker]

I agree. No corporation should be allowed to fund political speech.

[Theben]

And thus left and right come to agreement and friendship. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE, CONGRESS

Aren't you still a commie? And a godless muslim one, at that.

[a.kitman]

doesnt have much to do whit the subject, but why the **** did you not elect John McCain in 2000. 2008 i get sorta he was up against a very charismatic opponent and hade the recession agasint him. but come on McCain vs bush it shoudl be a no brainer.

[Dinner]

McCain lost the Republican primary in 2000 because Rove lied and told people McCain had been miscegenating with a black women. True story.

[Wezil]

Did Rove use the word "miscegenating"?

[Dinner]

No doubt.

[Wezil]

I call BS. His target audience wouldn't understand.

[Darius871]

McCain lost the Republican primary in 2000 because Rove lied and told people McCain had been miscegenating with a black women. True story.

True except perhaps the word "because." Do your really have any evidence of how many people actually stopped dead in their tracks and changed their vote solely as a result of that unfounded rumor? Or was it just bull**** circulated amongst fringe nutcases who had already made up their minds anyway, just like long forms, death panels, etc.? You have no way of knowing, do you?

[Dinner]

I do know he lost in North Carolina, where he was expected to win, because of a last minute shift in the polls. A shift which exactly coincides with Rove's last minute attacks about McCain having a half black baby. That sudden shift and lose where he was expected to win pretty much killed McCain's campaign. I'm sure most of the Bush voters had already made up their minds, as you've said, but I can't help but feel such attacks were part of the last minute shift which gave Bush the victory in NC.

[Darius871]

You have no way of knowing, do you?

I do know he lost in North Carolina, where he was expected to win, because of a last minute shift in the polls. A shift which exactly coincides with Rove's last minute attacks about McCain having a half black baby. That sudden shift and lose where he was expected to win pretty much killed McCain's campaign. I'm sure most of the Bush voters had already made up their minds, as you've said, but I can't help but feel such attacks were part of the last minute shift which gave Bush the victory in NC.

So the answer is "no" then. Just checking.

[RGBVideo]

I do know he lost in North Carolina, where he was expected to win, because of a last minute shift in the polls. A shift which exactly coincides with Rove's last minute attacks about McCain having a half black baby. That sudden shift and lose where he was expected to win pretty much killed McCain's campaign. I'm sure most of the Bush voters had already made up their minds, as you've said, but I can't help but feel such attacks were part of the last minute shift which gave Bush the victory in NC.

I like it how you pretend to be an expert on the subject but don't even remember what was the name of the state in question.

McCain lost the first southern primary in SC because republican base thought that he wasn't a genuine conservative because the EVIL LIBERAL MEDIA was suddenly on his side (judging from the 2008 campaign, we can surprisingly find out that they were correct). That, and Bush & Rove dumped a ****load of TV & radio ads into a single state within a single week with all that money Bush's campaign received from oil & military companies.

Spoiler:

I think a problem bigger than money there was (and is) the apathy of the voting public wrt politics. In Finland, you can't earn votes by simply dumping x amount of money into TV ads because the voters aren't stupid enough to believe whatever they see from TV. In the USA, the two seem to have a direct correlation.

Or was it just bull**** circulated amongst fringe nutcases who had already made up their minds anyway

I think the money source was directly linked to Bush campaign, but 8 years after the thing, facts sure would be a gigantic PITA to google. The method sure has Rove written all over it. It was a push poll conducted by phone, callers contacted voters who had never heard about McCain and asked how they'd react if they'd hear that he had raped a black girl or something like that. It was not noted in the mainstream media at all when Bush won the primaries. Bill Clinton was among the first to dig the story up circa 2003, it was a good, clean way of subtly suggesting that their opponent in '04 would be evil.

[Imran Siddiqui]

at VJ schooling Oerdin.

It was indeed South Carolina where McCain lost to Bush early on and the push polling tricks by Rove were pulled. However, whether or not those tricks were what actually pushed Bush over the top, no one can really know.

[Dinner]

Meh, you know he googled it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, he probably knew it. After all, South Carolina has the important primary of the two Carolinas because its so early.

[Zkribbler]

True except perhaps the word "because." Do your really have any evidence of how many people actually stopped dead in their tracks and changed their vote solely as a result of that unfounded rumor? Or was it just bull**** circulated amongst fringe nutcases who had already made up their minds anyway, just like long forms, death panels, etc.? You have no way of knowing, do you?

Ah. So you're saying that Rove was incompetent when he lauched a smear campaign that had no effect on the election?