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  • #16
    Apparently congress critters have had enough

    Crisis of Confidence: America's Government Losing Faith in Out-of-Touch Constituents

    Guest Opinion
    By Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA)
    and Kathleen Sebelius, U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services


    Over two hundred years ago, America's founding fathers established a constitutional republic based on the audacious notion that the interests of its citizens would be best served by a wise body of their democratically-elected representatives. In the two centuries that have since transpired, that bold experiment has largely been a success. But we should also realize our system only works when the interests of voters and their government are in harmony. Unfortunately, recent evidence suggests that America's hard-working hometown legislators are feeling the pinch from a fickle and increasingly out-of-touch voter class who no longer serves our needs.

    Nowhere has this disturbing trend been more evident than in the recent debate over health care reform. Like hundreds of our fellow legislators and government officials, we recently traveled to a town hall meeting to distribute a grassroots press release explaining why this critical legislation is a done deal. Our advance staffs said that should anticipate a respectful, positive hearing from local media and bused-in union members. Instead we were greeted by a rude howling mob of idiot "voters" who refused to listen to reason, and ruined what should have been a killer photo op for our re-election ad campaign.

    Have these arrogant ivory tower armchair quarterbacks ever had to live with the pressures of being a working stiff Senator or Cabinet Secretary in Washington DC? Have they ever had to juggle markup language on a supplemental appropriations bill, or deal with an incompetent Chief of Staff who constantly double-books fund raising dinners? Apparently not, if their whiny obnoxious chants are any indication. "Read the Bill! Read the Bill!" blah, blah, blah, as if we weren't already exhausted from writing and voting for the damned thing.

    Sadly we have begun hearing similar stories told with increasing frequency; in the Senate Dining Hall, at the Palm, in the Green Room at MSNBC. From hardworking legislators like Tom Perriello and Lloyd Doggett, who have been forced to seek police protection from angry mobs of unregistered self-lobbyists bent on publicly asking them awkward policy questions. So far we have been able to avoid tragedy, but our security people have warned us it is only a matter of time until one of these nuts sneaks in with their own loaded microphone.

    It wasn't always like this. Certainly, legislators and government officials have always had to deal with the annoyance of obtrusive constituents. But there was always a belief that somehow, between election campaigns, we would muddle along despite the constant threat of voter interference. Those of us who survived the horrors of November 1994 worked hard to design important safety net protections, such as revolving doors, redistricting, earmarks, and franking privileges, in a bipartisan effort to insure "Never Again." And with the inauguration of President Obama in January, there was an optimistic sense that the era of Big Voter was finally over.

    Sadly, that brief shining Camelot in Washington has suddenly been replaced by a new Dark Ages, with hordes of placard- and plague-carrying voter vermin pouring up from the sewers of our home districts, threatening us and our very re-elections. Across Washington, hundreds of everyday legislators and consultants are paralyzed by fear, wondering where these these intrusive bubonic boobs will strike next.

    The reasons for this are difficult to understand, but the results are clear: we have come face-to-face with a national crisis of confidence, as America's struggling government increasingly loses faith with its electing class. A recent Rasmussen tracking poll showed American Voters getting a paltry 23% approval rating from members of Congress and the Executive branch, and only 17% from members of the media. The toxic atmosphere caused by out-of-touch voters has been especially corrosive for Washington's youngest legislative aides and undersecretaries, many of whom now express outright cynicism and contempt for our system of unelected and unaccountable citizens. And with the growing credibility gap between what constituents tell our polling consultants and what they scream at our town halls, who can blame them?

    Enough is enough. It's time for us to get out our pitchforks and tell the Outside-the-Beltway gang that we're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it any more. We are the little guy, the junior senator from some godforsaken Nebraskansaw, just looking to make that subcommittee with the big contributor action. That fresh young regulatory agency head who only wants to test that bank nationalization idea from her Harvard term paper. We are the people who get up every day, work hard, and play inside the rules. Most of the time. And if one of us accidentally plays outside one of those rules, then, by golly, the rest of us will make sure to modify that rule so he's still playing inside the rules. And we're tired of getting pushed around the town hall by the likes of you, Big Voter.

    Will our call-to-arms spark a grassroots movement among Government-Americans to take our town halls back? Call us irrepressible optimists, but we have high hopes. Because we still believe in the American ideal that one man, with a staff of 83, and a chair on an $800 billion subcommittee, and an iPhone full of contact numbers, can still make a difference.

    In the end, democracy means that voters get the government they deserve. In fairness, shouldn't we get the voters we deserve?
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    • #17
      Protesters in Ybor City drown out health care summit on Obama's proposal

      By Adam C. Smith, Times Political Editor
      In Print: Friday, August 7, 2009

      [CHRIS ZUPPA | Times]

      TAMPA — Bitter divisions over reforming America's health care system exploded Thursday night in Tampa amid cat calls, jeering and shoving at a town hall meeting.

      "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" dozens of people shouted as U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, struggled to talk about health insurance reforms under consideration in Washington, D.C.

      "There is more consensus than there is disagreement when you get right down to it,'' Castor offered, immediately drowned out by groans and boos.

      She pressed on, mostly unheard among screams from the audience estimated by Tampa police to be about 1,500.

      "Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!"

      The spectacle at the Children's Board in Ybor City sounded more like a wrestling cage match than a panel discussion on national policy, and it was just the latest example of a health care meeting disrupted by livid protesters. Similar scenes are likely to be repeated across the country as lawmakers head to their home districts for the summer recess.

      Thursday's forum/near riot was sponsored by state Rep. Betty Reed, D-Tampa, and the Service Employees International Union, who apparently had hoped to hold something of a pep rally for President Barack Obama's health care reform proposal.

      Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican Party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points.

      An overflow crowd of critics was left waiting outside the building — and in some cases pounding on the meeting room doors — while health care reform activists complained that Democrats and union members were guided into the room for prime seats. Tampa police officers maintained control the entire night.

      "They can't even run a meeting, and they want to run health care?'' scoffed Kevin Grant, a Tampa printing business owner, standing near someone wielding a "Shame on you America. You sold your soul to the Devil" sign.

      The nationally televised images of protesters lashing out at politicians sympathetic to Obama's health care proposal certainly drive home the health care plans' keen opposition. Some Democrats, though, argue that engaged, disruptive protesters only serve to depict the GOP as unwilling to work on solutions.

      "These groups are not concerned about Americans' access to quality heath care, but are extreme ideologues, only interested in 'breaking' the president and thwarting the change Americans voted for last November," said state Democratic chairwoman Karen Thurman.

      Polls show mounting public concern about the nation's debt and deficit, and a CNN poll released this week found 50 percent of those surveyed support the president's plan and 45 percent oppose.

      Castor said a strong debate is healthy but suggested that many of the protesters who have shown up at town hall meetings in recent weeks would have staunchly opposed the creation of Medicare and Social Security a few decades ago.

      "The insurance industry and … Republican activists are manufacturing a lot of these phony protests,'' said Castor, who has been closely involved in the health care debate and said she won't support any bill lacking a government-run insurance option.

      She left before the forum ended, which drew more boos. State Rep. Reed said she encouraged Castor to leave because nobody could hear her anyway.

      Protesters said there was nothing phony about their strong showing, just a bubbling of grass roots anger.

      "It's the backlash to the arrogance of our government that you're seeing here,'' said Brad Grabill of Temple Terrace.

      Times staff writer Robbyn Mitchell contributed to this report. Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #18
        I think that they should allow equal numbers of fanatic Obamites and teabaggers into the meetings, toss in a few guns, lock the doors and let the douchebags eliminate each other.

        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
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        • #19


          Karen Miracle pushes Barry Osteen, right, who was debating her husband, Garry. “We have the best health care system in the world and I’m completely happy with what we have,” Osteen said.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #20
            "Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!"
            In thier defense che, the constant CBO reports showing the claims by the Obama White House to be full of hot air could lead people to believe that proponents need to tell the truth. Also is there really anything wrong with asking them to read the bill before voting on it?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #21
              One would think that reading it would be acceptable.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                the constant CBO reports showing the claims by the White House to be full of hot air could lead people to believe that proponents need to tell the truth.
                I fixed it a little, but if only you had said something like this during the last 8 years, it would have made me think you are somewhere in this reality.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  "Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!"
                  In thier defense che, the constant CBO reports showing the claims by the Obama White House to be full of hot air could lead people to believe that proponents need to tell the truth. Also is there really anything wrong with asking them to read the bill before voting on it?
                  Hey, I got nothing wrong with people shouting down their leaders. It was the pushing, shoving, beating, scratching, etc. that was problematic. Your side is rather uncivil.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #24
                    I agree, Sloww. Sadly given the reactuions of Congress when asked to do that, one would think they had been slapped.

                    There's no need to get violent at these meetings anyway. The bill seems to be collapsing under its own weight as it is and barring some miracle the public option seems to be dieing a slow death.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post
                      Hey, I got nothing wrong with people shouting down their leaders. It was the pushing, shoving, beating, scratching, etc. that was problematic.
                      Agreed. It's also unnecessary.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #26
                        Where are the tasers when they're needed?
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #27
                          I ask that every time I read your posts
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #28
                            I was hoping for a different type of teabagger......
                            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                            • #29
                              As an aside, its amusing to see the juvenile insult from a few months ago make a comeback.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                                As an aside, its amusing to see the juvenile insult from a few months ago make a comeback.
                                if the shoe fits
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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