Why were these thrown out?

[Lancer]

What? Can you speak up?

Hey umm, you guys have Asher's phone #? Why not call him, get a troll in here who has some skill.

[Lancer]

Ahh, maybe not. I'm getting bored, later guys!

[Kuciwalker]

No of course not, but we're talking more religions here than races. I still feel the same way, I wouldn't condemn a religion for the acts of a few but I'd be surprised if you felt that way.

Then I don't entirely understand why it's fine to kick these Palestinians out on the street because some other Palestinians celebrated 9/11

[KrazyHorse]

Why are you trying to tutor somebody who is incapable of learning?

Either ignore him or load up and tee off.

[Kuciwalker]

I have boundless faith in the human potential.

[KrazyHorse]

Try teaching undergraduates intro physics.

[Kuciwalker]

I probably could after a week of rereading the text.

[KrazyHorse]

I wasn't casting doubt on your ability to present the material.

[Felch]

A bad assumption Kuci, I don't believe that.

You mean you don't believe that entire races should be oppressed because of the actions of a few of their members?

I support blind rage against entire nations based on jingoistic propaganda.

In the case of the Palestinians, I get tired of all the damn whining. They lost several wars, and they need to move on. There's plenty of land in the Middle East, and plenty of money to help them get resettled. Sitting around, generation after generation, in refugee camps simply because they're too proud to accept defeat and move on is retarded. It's not hurting the Israelis, it's only hurting the children.

Maybe if these oil-soaked sheiks were more charitable and less obsessed with building ridiculous crap, the Palestinians would be a bit better off. Refugees get jostled around all over the place, all the time. It never takes decades to settle them, unless they're being kept in limbo for political reasons. It seems that the tyrants of the region would rather point out the plight of the Palestinians than start governing well. It's probably a lot easier to blame your problems on Jews than on the fact that you're a corrupt piece of nepotistic ****.

[KrazyHorse]

The people we're talking about weren't in a refugee camp. They were living in buildings in East Jerusalem, which Israel considers to be part of Israel proper (other countries do not recognize this claim). As these families were living in East Jerusalem at the time Israel took it over they would have been given permanent residency in Israel. The article doesn't specify, but they probably aren't Israeli citizens, as I understand the situation.

[Tattila the Hun]

How does one say "Lebensraum" in Hebrew?



(Godwinized, I know.)

[Felch]

The people we're talking about weren't in a refugee camp. They were living in buildings in East Jerusalem, which Israel considers to be part of Israel proper (other countries do not recognize this claim). As these families were living in East Jerusalem at the time Israel took it over they would have been given permanent residency in Israel. The article doesn't specify, but they probably aren't Israeli citizens, as I understand the situation.

Yeah I got that. I was going along with Lancer's threadjacking.

As far as East Jerusalem goes, that's just spoils of war. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan amassed armies against Israel and got stomped. Israel has as much right to East Jerusalem as Russia has to Koenigsberg. These people apparently had their day in court, but got hosed by the law. I sympathize with anyone who hates judges and lawyers, so in that respect I'm on their side. But I'm not keen on this trend of canonizing the Palestinian cause. They're pawns of the Arab establishment, and they need to be resettled permanently somewhere.

[Ramo]

No. The Russian residents of Kaliningrad shouldn't be evicted from their homes because they've lived there for half a century. Not because of some idiotic legal theory like "spoils of war."

[Kitschum]

As far as East Jerusalem goes, that's just spoils of war. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan amassed armies against Israel and got stomped. Israel has as much right to East Jerusalem as Russia has to Koenigsberg. These people apparently had their day in court, but got hosed by the law. I sympathize with anyone who hates judges and lawyers, so in that respect I'm on their side. But I'm not keen on this trend of canonizing the Palestinian cause. They're pawns of the Arab establishment, and they need to be resettled permanently somewhere.

This is cynical bull****. The Palestinians should not be "resettled" any more than they already have.

There is no "Arab" establishment as if acting in consort and bearing a collective guilt. You can't "punish" the governments of Egypt, Syria and Jordan by denying rights to Palestinians like you would not defend bombing Jewish institutions in Buenos Aires in retaliation for Israel's actions.

[Kitschum]

Kuci, the clock started in the 30s and stopped in 1972.

This is as good a claim as many people in Israel proper have to their land...

If the timeline is correct it appears the clock started in '56. Then there's the question of whether the action in '72 is enough to stop the clock.

This is besides the main issue of this being occupied/annexed territory. It is entirely possible that Israel's supreme court made the correct decision within Israeli law, and the whole affair being immoral anyway. Families being expelled after living in the some place for more than 50 years strongly suggests this.