So I tried searching for "We Play Civ"...

[KrazyHorse]

No, my argument is that you have very little knowledge of the situation and there's the potential that EITHER course of action could result in harm, so there is substantial risk. Even if you judge that the expected outcome of intervention is positive, it isn't (in my judgement) worth the risk.

You can't take risk aversion into account only when you consider the active course. The passive course also has risk.

[KrazyHorse]

Does your program ever loop?

Doesn't have to. As long as I only want (at max) a predetermined number of steps and gridpoints you can write in every calc by hand.

[Jon Miller]

I really don't see how it could be done for data analysis.

JM

[KrazyHorse]

This is the real crux of the issue. Your laziness far outweighs your sense of morality. Perhaps our indifference outweighs our morality?

Ah...but you're not indifferent. You are positively arguing against a given course of action.

It's the value of the time of all the companies we're stealing from that you need to take into account, not our time.

No, it's the value of the polytubbies' time TO the company.

Again, see above for my opinion on this.

[Asher]

Doesn't have to. As long as I only want (at max) a predetermined number of steps and gridpoints you can write in every calc by hand.

Oh, Christ...

[Kuciwalker]

Doesn't have to. As long as I only want (at max) a predetermined number of steps and gridpoints you can write in every calc by hand.

Aye, but then your program could be equally well handled by a big table that maps inputs to outputs. It's meaningless to talk about runtime or computability if your entire problem domain is bounded.

[Kuciwalker]

No, my argument is that you have very little knowledge of the situation and there's the potential that EITHER course of action could result in harm, so there is substantial risk. Even if you judge that the expected outcome of intervention is positive, it isn't (in my judgement) worth the risk.

You can't take risk aversion into account only when you consider the active course. The passive course also has risk.

The magnitude of the risk vs. potential gain means that other factors can come into play as moral arguments, such as the damage to the community.

[KrazyHorse]

but then your program could be equally well handled by a big table that maps inputs to outputs

Isn't that true of all analysis and simulation?

initial conditions/data -> final conditions/output

[Kuciwalker]

but then your program could be equally well handled by a big table that maps inputs to outputs

Isn't that true of all analysis and simulation?

initial conditions/data -> final conditions/output

No, because we work on non-trivial problems, i.e. ones where the input length could be increased without bound.

[KrazyHorse]

such as the damage to the community

It damages the community to have to listen to some greedy little ***** explain how little he cares for the woman he's going to marry.

[KrazyHorse]

No, because we work on non-trivial problems, i.e. ones where the input length could be increased without bound.

While that might be true from a theoretical point of view, it is an unsatisfying answer practically.

[Kuciwalker]

It damages the community to have to listen to some greedy little ***** explain how little he cares for the woman he's going to marry.

Really? Because a lot of people, like you and Asher, seem to thrive on that kind of stuff.

[Kuciwalker]

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[KrazyHorse]

It damages the community to have to listen to some greedy little ***** explain how little he cares for the woman he's going to marry.

Really? Because a lot of people, like you and Asher, seem to thrive on that kind of stuff.

I have the feeling that a lot of people think that I'm a bit of a caustic agent on Poly...

[Kuciwalker]

That makes sense. You are a caustic agent on Poly.