In the US we would have charged them with making terrorist threats...

[Spiffor]

Note to self, do not work as middle management in France. They are not people, they are playthings for angry union employees.

1. Wrong. Middle management is very powerful toward employees in France. They basically do all the **** work of exploiting them
2. Wrong. It is rare that workers resist middle management, since there's a strong fear of unemployment.
3. Wrong. Unions are out of this one. Union are in less spectatular, and legal, actions. Also, unions generally negociate to keep people employed, which is very different from workers asking for a bigger severance package.

Are the families of the managers not upset by what's going on? If my mother, father, or sister were kidnapped because some knucklehead wanted better pay and the government didn't do anything about it I would redefine union busting.

1. Wrong. Unions are out of this one.
2. Vigilante justice will obviously bring greater safety to middle mangement

Maybe that's the problem. France needs more private gun ownership.

What ricketyclick said.

[DinoDoc]

I disagree with the words "a-OK" and "implicit sanction of the state".

What are we supposed to make of a complete abrogation of the duties of the police and the state to provide for the safety of its citizens? No punishment of these actions is the same as thier being accepted and supported by the state.

So the government doesn't like at all that capitalists are getting threatened. They are also using stern words.

Who gives a **** about capitalists beign threatened, Spiffor? People are being threatened and with the permissive attitude the State has toward this its only a matter of time til this escalates further as the OP is showing.

[Patroklos]

I am sorry Spiffor, but your first post in this thread summarized everything that is wrong with the French workers and why they have no leg to stand on legally or otherwise. They are a bunch of whiny thugs.

[Dinner]

As long as the hard strikes are marginal and appeasable, businesses have a much easier time to do business as usual. A crackdown would increase class consciousness, something big business and the government definitely don't want.

It might increase class consciousness among backwards people who still think that way but it would definitely help remind people who are thinking of committing crimes that if you do the crime then you do the time.

[Patroklos]

How exactly is punishing people for bomb threats "cracking down?"

[Spiffor]

I am sorry Spiffor, but your first post in this thread summarized everything that is wrong with the French workers and why they have no leg to stand on legally or otherwise. They are a bunch of whiny thugs.

Care to elaborate about the "whiny" part?

if you do the crime then you do the time.

[Dinner]

Making terrorist threats is a crime so they need to do the time.

[Spiffor]

I was laughing at the belief of a systematic link between doing a crime and actually being punished. I wonder if there's any place in the world where it's true.

[Dinner]

There is something to that though I don't believe it is as prevalent as you imply. At least not here.

[Dr Strangelove]

I've known of incidents nearly as bad in the US. Back in the 1980's my brother was shot at while driving a truck for one of the coal companies being struck. He showed me the bullet hole ( in the truck ).

I worked as an Occupational Physician for a munitions plant for a few years. I was involved in a disability determination for a foreman who had been injured during a strike. He had temporarily been assigned to a non-managerial position, i.e., he was scabbing. Some workers entered the plant property and beat him unconscious. As part of the settlement of the strike though the workers were not charged with a crime and were re-instated, but the foreman, who was unable to work due to his injuries was fired and not even allowed workman's compensation since he was technically doing a job outside of his job title. As a foreman though he had "risen through the ranks" and had performed the job before becoming a foreman, so he was quite qualified. The company allowed him to be hung out to dry to set an example for potential future scabs. As a reward for his loyalty to the company this guy was put out on SSI in his early 50's.

Why weren't criminal charges pursued you might ask? The incident took place at a US Army ammunition plant. The land there was technically Federal land and therefore outside of state and local jurisdiction. Since the company was acting on behalf of the US Army neither the Adjutant General nor the Federal government were inclined to press charges.

[Dinner]

Wow, not good.

[Dr Strangelove]

I was laughing at the belief of a systematic link between doing a crime and actually being punished. I wonder if there's any place in the world where it's true.

How many bone fide "gangstas" do you think actually make it to 25 without spending serious time in the penitentiary, getting seriously wounded or even dying? I'm willing to bet not many.

[JEELEN]

I was laughing at the belief of a systematic link between doing a crime and actually being punished. I wonder if there's any place in the world where it's true.

Actually, there is (though not in the US).

I worked as an Occupational Physician for a munitions plant for a few years. I was involved in a disability determination for a foreman who had been injured during a strike. He had temporarily been assigned to a non-managerial position, i.e., he was scabbing. Some workers entered the plant property and beat him unconscious. As part of the settlement of the strike though the workers were not charged with a crime and were re-instated, but the foreman, who was unable to work due to his injuries was fired and not even allowed workman's compensation since he was technically doing a job outside of his job title. As a foreman though he had "risen through the ranks" and had performed the job before becoming a foreman, so he was quite qualified. The company allowed him to be hung out to dry to set an example for potential future scabs. As a reward for his loyalty to the company this guy was put out on SSI in his early 50's.

Why weren't criminal charges pursued you might ask? The incident took place at a US Army ammunition plant. The land there was technically Federal land and therefore outside of state and local jurisdiction. Since the company was acting on behalf of the US Army neither the Adjutant General nor the Federal government were inclined to press charges.

It seems to me that federal law would allow for prosecution; failing that I would think this foreman has grounds for sueing the company.