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  • How Can I Be Polite at this Point?

    So I'm doing a qualitative study in China on tuberculosis. We interviewed a few doctors, patients, and experts. My research team consists of a PhD and two masters students. They all claimed to have experience in this kind of research. So we go through the project and what I want from it. I write up a topic guide for the interviews, and I give them some advice for things to avoid, leading questions, making prejudgements, and the like.

    I have them conduct the interviews, while I watch. My Chinese is not good enough to conduct these interviews myself, plus I don't know anything of the local dialect. The PhD performs most of the interviews. Long before this, I've already made hints that I think she is incompetent. It takes on average 20 minutes to explain anything to her. And even then, she still looks confused and defeated. Whenever she gave me information, it nearly always turned out to be flat wrong.

    So I finally get the translation of the interviews. As she gives them to me, she says happily, "Please send us a copy of your report, when you publish it." I'm thinking, Oh? Is the data really that good?

    No, it is not. It is the most amateur ridiculous piece of crap that I have ever encountered in my entire life. First, the translation is a nightmare: Incomplete sentences, words and phrases that contradict eachother, and some outright nonsense. But that's nothing compared to the interviews themselves. Apparently they forgot the in-depth part of the in-depth interviews. Some examples:

    Q: You treat sick patients?
    A: Yes
    Q: Yes?
    A: Yes

    A: Some patients leave the hospital shouting and screaming at the top of their lungs.
    Q: Where do you get your funding?

    Q: How are the patients in your hospital?
    A: They are sick. (Actually, I like the doctor who gave answers like this. He must have realized how absolutely retarded they were. Fortunately, another doctor, who also realized, was able to answer the questions that they didn't ask)
    Q: What do you like most about being a doctor?

    To make matters worse. I had to pay for all of this crap. Every stupid word transcribing, I paid for. Every mistranslation, I paid for. And now I need to do the whole process over again because they are ****ing retarded!

    So I sent an email to have a meeting to discuss the translations next week. The PhD says that she is busy and could I email her the parts that I am trouble with. This is as if the whole thing isn't one giant fetid abortion! Still, I insisted that we meet. One of my masters students has left for the summer and the other will be on vacation that week. Good! The one who left permanently was the only one who spoke decent English, but her inability to tell that the interviews were a complete disaster makes her worthless. The other has the language skills of a cantelope, but at least he is helpful as a butler. Since the PhD is dumber than him, we will have another student come in who seems quite able to understand English.

    For the meeting, there are several things I want to accomplish:

    1. I don't want to pay a cent for this crap. Ok, I'll pay their travel costs and the "gifts" we gave to the interviewees. But I shouldn't have to pay for the crap transcriptions and translations. They didn't even follow my topic guide for the project!!!

    2. I want to redo the interviews myself. This will mean that a competent translator be with me to translate everything live. Why they didn't want to do this in the first place, I don't know. Apparently, this is how all the other foreign students had it done. Although, from what I gathered, they did not work with any of the people I have worked with.

    The issue is, how do I say all this without insulting her. The PhD pretty much says no to anything I say at first because she's too stupid to understand it. I always need a translator to talk with despite her claims to understand English. So, I have to somehow explain politely how bad the interviews were. Explaining anything to her is a challenge, let alone something that makes her look bad.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    Bloody hell, I just got to a point in a interview where she insulted an interviewee!
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

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    • #3
      So many things that could be said... but I will try a serious answer to your question.

      Take one of the interview translations, and have somebody do a "back translation" on it. Then you can show her in own language just how stupid they were. However, if she is as stupid as you say, this might go over her head as well

      Good luck.. it sounds like you need it.
      Keep on Civin'
      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • #4
        I thinking of changing my project to "Incompetence in Health Research in China." What do you think?

        She just emailed me after I told that one interview was completely unreadable. We will have our meeting on Monday morning. Then I suspect I will be arrested for stealing state secrets or something.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • #5
          Well, you clearly just published some of them right here, on the internet.
          The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.

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          • #6
            Those weren't directly from the interviews. They are paraphrasing for examples of the stupidity. Sadly, the actual interviews are far worse.

            As for explaining it to her, even if she understands the issue, it becomes "loss of face." She is very proud (I have no idea why) and doesn't handle criticism well.
            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
            "Capitalism ho!"

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            • #7
              With people like that, I've always found that the issue needs to be addressed as a "learning" situation and not as a YOU SCREWED UP BIG TIME. The old, "now that we know what can go wrong, we need to make some changes so it doesn't happen again" shifts the blame onto the universe and away from the moron. You get the person to be involved in solving the problem, like you "actually" care what they think.. It helps them save face.
              Keep on Civin'
              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • #8
                I don't want her involved. I'm hoping that she will be too busy now to be involved and I can do the work in peace. But I will definitely try that approach. I will have to be adamant about redoing the interviews myself, however. Plus, it looks better on my internship evaluation.
                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                "Capitalism ho!"

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                • #9
                  Can you learn the language a bit?

                  JM
                  Jon Miller-
                  I AM.CANADIAN
                  GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                  • #10
                    Yes, but not fluent enough to conduct the interviews on my own. Even if I was fluent, they wouldn't let me. Ideally, I will just take a translator with me and will have him/her translate as I conduct the interview. The bigger issue than the bad translation here is the atrociously poor interviewing skills of my research team. It seems that they were only interested in confirming what they already knew and missed a lot of opportunities for further insight.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                      I don't want her involved.
                      I never said you actually have to do what she suggests

                      It's a matter of asking for their opinions so that they think they are involved, whether they really are or not.
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #12
                        It actually seems like they just followed the list and had no interest in actually learning anything.

                        Like just a check off list.. did we ask him A, B, C? If so, good.

                        JM
                        Jon Miller-
                        I AM.CANADIAN
                        GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                        • #13
                          I wish. I gave them a list of questions, but they hardly used it. The current interview I'm reading now is someone whose job isn't related to the study. None of the questions I gave them apply and the questions they are asking are useless to me. This incredibly bad.
                          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                          "Capitalism ho!"

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                          • #14
                            Q: How often do you get daily training?
                            A: Once a month.

                            I really hope this is a translation error.
                            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                            "Capitalism ho!"

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                            • #15
                              This is ****ing hilarious.

                              Is it simply the case that all the competent Chinese scientists go to US universities?
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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