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    A "what if" thread - Pearl harbor goes japanese

    Well, there has been several threads about "what if"'s concerning europe, but not many about US.

    What if japan had made a third, fourth etc attack and also had an invasion fleet ready to take the Hawaian islands ?
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg
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    Nobody would like sushi I think? Next stage is irradication of whales?
    Medvedchik, mne nado tolko malinki nozh. Chik-chik :)

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    • #3
      Japanese word for panties.

      Sacka snatchee.

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        The only reason why the first attack was successful was because the US was caught by surprise. I doubt a second attack would have done much damage. Hawaii was at the outer edges of where the Japanese could project power, IIRC. And after Midway, they couldn't project any power to Hawaii.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          Originally posted by DanS View Post
          The only reason why the first attack was successful was because the US was caught by surprise. I doubt a second attack would have done much damage. Hawaii was at the outer edges of where the Japanese could project power, IIRC. And after Guam, they couldn't project any power to Hawaii.
          You miss the point - as part of the initial attack on PH, there would also be an invasion force. I doubt that there would be serious resistance due to the japanese air superiority.
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #6
            So Japan would be useless sending soldiers into jungle that nobody wanted.

            More interesting, I think, is to ask the two other questions

            first. would thee have been better access to resources to change jaoan industrial policy of 1980 on. If resource were had ten this would be differnt.

            If true then australia would be different maybe

            also role of china different

            only then think of usa
            Medvedchik, mne nado tolko malinki nozh. Chik-chik :)

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            • #7
              An invasion force would have taken a whole lot of time to get to the islands. You think the US wouldn't have been able to spot it well in advance?

              The scenario's not very realistic. And besides, I doubt the Japanese actually wanted the islands anyway. They just wanted to sink our fleet. They did want Midway, however. They prepared an invasion force for Midway.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS View Post
                An invasion force would have taken a whole lot of time to get to the islands. You think the US wouldn't have been able to spot it well in advance?
                Well, they missed the carriers, so why not some high speed transport ships ? They wouldn't need to land with the first attack, actually they could easily be some 24 hours behind.
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                  They missed the carriers, but I can imagine that the carriers were well offshore. I don't even know if they had high speed transport ships in their fleet or their attributes.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DanS View Post
                    The scenario's not very realistic. And besides, I doubt the Japanese actually wanted the islands anyway. They just wanted to sink our fleet. They did want Midway, however. They prepared an invasion force for Midway.
                    Why not ? For Japan it would probably not be a stepstone or like, but it would be a forward position. For US it would be a step back since operations could only be done from the west coast.

                    Further, with the possesion of PH, an attack on Midway would probably have a higher chance of succes.

                    This is a "what if" thread, so I really don't care much about the fact that the japanese was so stupid to think that sinking the pacific US fleet would do them any good
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                    Steven Weinberg

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                    • #11
                      We would have still one because of the inherent racial handicaps of the Japanese people.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DanS View Post
                        They missed the carriers, but I can imagine that the carriers were well offshore. I don't even know if they had high speed transport ships in their fleet or their attributes.
                        Of course they had such high speed transport ships - it's part of their plannig of the attack
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Riesstiu IV View Post
                          We would have still one because of the inherent racial handicaps of the Japanese people.
                          Nah, the japs didn't have any racial hadicaps - it was the US that had to guard their white warriors against the evilness of nonwhite US soldiers
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • #14
                            According to this page, the carriers were 300 miles away when they launched the attack. How long would it take the high speed transport ships to arrive? And how big is this damn flotilla anyway?

                            http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-ja1.htm
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #15
                              What if they had Stealth Bombers and orbital lasers?

                              The question is kind of silly if you just keep giving the Japanese stuff they didn't have. Fast transports are kind of ridiculous. You need a kind of boxy ship to make a good transport, and a sleek ship to make it fast. You could give a boxy ship powerful engines to make it fast, but then your cost of production rises, along with fuel consumption. Like DanS said, Hawaii was about as far as they could get with what they had. Attacking with "fast transports" would have been impossible.

                              The Dec. 7 attacks went as well as anybody in the IJN could have hoped, and it was all they could muster. Japan was doomed by strategic policy, not by a lack of aggression on the battlefield.
                              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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