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    Understanding Terminator

    After watching T4 a while ago, I felt the need to re-watch T1 T2 and T3 again, just to see how the story all fits together and because I saw T1 when I was too young to follow it.

    T4 kind of pulls the knot on the story, but I have some questions.

    First of all, I think there is a paradox.

    Sarah Connor born > Terminator sent back in time to kill Sarah when she is a teenager, John Connor send his father back to save her > Father falls in love with Sarah Connor, impregnates Sarah with soon to be John Connor.

    My problem with this is that John can't send Kyle back if Kyle hasn't gone back yet to make love with her because John WOULDN'T EXIST. Excuse me if I don't understand the threads of time, but I don't think this is possible, it's a paradox, it would cause existence to collapse on itself.



    Secondly, while T3 was a bad movie, it wasn't so terrible that it should be ignored - which would be an even worse mistake, it would be like ignoring Two Towers from the LotR triology because it was badly made. Ok, I agree, T3 isn't necessary to the plot of the entire story of Terminator, but unfortunately it has been made and widely known, it's PART OF THE STORY NOW, ignoring it is just going to screw the whole series up.

    So after watching T3, my question to you is, 1. Where in T4 is his wife and kids? and 3. How old is John Connor in T4?
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      It's gay to use MacGyver as your avatar. Especially that one; just sayin
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      • #4
        I know
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        • #5
          The entire Terminator universe is based on a paradox:
          in T2 it is revealed that the SkyNet was developed by reverse-engineering the terminator sent back in time by SkyNet in the future!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by FrostyBoy View Post
            ... it would be like ignoring Two Towers from the LotR triology because it was badly made.
            Sir, I doth protest! Two Towers was NOT badly mad!

            Remember, Professor Tolkien wrote one book, but the publisher chopped it into three pieces. Book II was never meant to be a stand alone. With Two Towers, Peter Jackson had an installment with no beginning and no ending. Plus, Professor T wrote the Shelob out of chronological order, and Faramir with no character development. There was a lot to fix.

            Jackson and company did a lot of nice stuff. The argument between Smeegal and Gollum at the end of the movie is wonderful! At Helmsdeep, the cut away shots to the scared children in the cave drove home what the men and elves were fighting for. And speaking of elves, Jackson adding the unexpected arrival of a company of elves also added to the drama.

            And, of course, one of the best scenes in Lord of the Rings is found nowhere in the book. It's a creation of the screenwriters, beautifully play by Sean Astin:

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            • #7
              Not this again.
              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
              "Capitalism ho!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FrostyBoy View Post


                Secondly, while T3 was a bad movie, it wasn't so terrible that it should be ignored - which would be an even worse mistake, it would be like ignoring Two Towers from the LotR triology because it was badly made. Ok, I agree, T3 isn't necessary to the plot of the entire story of Terminator, but unfortunately it has been made and widely known, it's PART OF THE STORY NOW, ignoring it is just going to screw the whole series up.

                So after watching T3, my question to you is, 1. Where in T4 is his wife and kids? and 3. How old is John Connor in T4?
                Well, if you watched the TV series, they gave an alternative method for John to survive judgement day (and a far more interesting one than T3). The series also opened the possibility for alternative timelines, which helps resolve some of the temporal paradoxes and doesn't eliminate T3 entirely.
                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                "Capitalism ho!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                  Not this again.
                  ...and this scene was nowhere in the book!

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                  • #10
                    When they were making T4 and asked how the Sara Conners Cronicles fit into their version of the terminator universe and how it would impact it, their blunt answer was, it doesn't and it won't. I don't know if that was a good thing or not.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • #11
                      You can't understand a Terminator; your only hope is to kill it.

                      Snoopy is obviously soft on Terminators.

                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
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                      • #12
                        So after watching T3, my question to you is, 1. Where in T4 is his wife and kids? and 3. How old is John Connor in T4?
                        Supposedly the doctor chick we see in T4 who he is obviously banking is his future wife.

                        We already have a thread discussing how much this movie sucks.
                        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                        • #13
                          And I appreciate that thread, because my wife is taking me to see it thise weekend, and my expectations are now so low that I expect to thoroughly enjoy the movie.
                          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                            And I appreciate that thread, because my wife is taking me to see it thise weekend, and my expectations are now so low that I expect to thoroughly enjoy the movie.
                            This is exactly why I was able to enjoy it despite its flaws, and the opposite is why I was not able to enjoy Star Trek
                            "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                            • #15
                              With the exception of the awkwardness of Spock's sex life, I did enjoy Star Trek.
                              The review here were mixed enough that my expectations weren't too high. And the movie wasn't THAT bad.
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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