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    Or at least bits of Tehran.


    TEHRAN — The streets of Iran’s capital erupted in the most intense protests in a decade on Saturday, with riot police officers using batons and tear gas against opposition demonstrators who claimed that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had stolen the presidential election.


    Witnesses reported that at least one person had been shot dead in clashes with the police in Vanak Square in Tehran. Smoke from burning vehicles and tires hung over the city late Saturday.

    The Interior Ministry said Saturday afternoon that Mr. Ahmadinejad had won 62.6 percent of the vote, with Mir Hussein Moussavi, the top challenger, taking just under 34 percent. Turnout was a record 85 percent.

    Mr. Moussavi, a former prime minister who had promised to reverse Mr. Ahmadinejad’s hard-line policies, declared himself the winner by a wide margin Friday night, charged widespread election irregularities and called on Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, to intervene.

    The landslide victory for Mr. Ahmadinejad, an intensely divisive figure here and abroad, came as a powerful shock to opposition supporters, who had cited polls showing that Mr. Moussavi had a strong lead in the final days of the campaign.

    Interior Minister Sadegh Mahsouli said Saturday that such a lead was a misimpression based on Mr. Moussavi’s higher levels of support in the capital, and that he had less backing elsewhere.

    Mr. Moussavi made clear in statements on Saturday that he rejected the results and called on supporters and fellow clerics to fight them. But there were no reports of any public appearances by him through the day, leading to rumors that he might have been arrested.

    In a statement posted on his campaign Web site, Mr. Moussavi said: “Today the people’s will has been faced with an amazing incident of lies, hypocrisy and fraud. I call on my Iranian compatriots to remain calm and patient.”

    But Ayatollah Khamenei closed the door to any appeals for intervention in a statement issued on state television on Saturday afternoon, congratulating Mr. Ahmadinejad on his victory and pointedly urging the other candidates to support him.

    In a televised address to the nation Saturday night, Mr. Ahmadinejad called on the public to respect the results, and he denounced foreign diplomatic and journalistic criticism.

    "All political and propaganda machines abroad and sections inside the country have been mobilized against the nation," he said.

    Mr. Moussavi’s defiance seemed to fuel street resistance by his supporters — a coalition including women, young people, intellectuals and members of the moderate clerical establishment — who had united in opposition to Mr. Ahmadinejad’s erratic economic stewardship, confrontational foreign policy and crackdown on social freedoms.

    “Death to the coup d’état!” chanted a surging crowd of several thousand protesters, many of whom wore Mr. Moussavi’s signature bright green campaign colors, as they marched in central Tehran on Saturday afternoon. “Death to the dictator!”

    Farther down the street, clusters of young men hurled rocks at a phalanx of riot police officers, and the police used their batons to beat back protesters. There were reports of demonstrations in other major Iranian cities as well.

    The authorities closed universities in Tehran, blocked cellphone transmissions and access to Facebook and some other Web sites, and for a second day shut down text-messaging services.


    Ahmadinejad may have won but the results were so lopsided most think fraud was rampant. As an aside Israel has been training for a raid on Iranian nuclear facilities and now would probably be the best time to do it.
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  • #2
    Ahmadinejad needs to be shot. Blown up. Poisoned. Hung by the neck. Beaten with a stick.
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    • #3
      Rejected, dejected and screwed.


      US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad


      By CAROLYN THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer – 46 mins ago

      NIAGARA FALLS, Ontario – The U.S. on Saturday refused to accept hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's claim of a landslide re-election victory in Iran and said it was looking into allegations of election fraud.
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      • #4
        As an aside Israel has been training for a raid on Iranian nuclear facilities and now would probably be the best time to do it.
        Now would be a terrible timing for it. We're foolish but we're not complete idiots.
        A strike right now would deflect the Iranian popular opinion form its corrupt tyrannical government, and unite them behind a single cause (hate for Israel).

        Not to mention Nethanyahu reportedly promised the US not to 'surprise' them, and I doubt Obama would greenlight a strike at this time.

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        • #5
          Decades of CIA/Mossad shenanigans will do that to a country.

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          • #6
            MULLAHS RIG POLL IN FEAR OF OBAMA EFFECT

            PRESIDENT Barack Obama’s hopes of halting Iran’s nuclear programme have been dealt a blow by the election result but the policy of the “outstretched hand” will continue.

            “The Iran election seriously complicates Obama’s game plan in the region,” said Steven Clemons, of the New America Foundation, a left-of-centre Washington think tank. “But if Ahmadinejad is sworn in and the situation gets relatively stable, nothing at all has changed in the equation that Obama set out during the campaign: we have to deal with our enemies – we must engage.”

            The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said last night America hoped the outcome of the election reflected “the genuine will and desire of Iranian citizens”.

            There had been high hopes of an “Obama effect” in Iran, similar to the victory for a pro-western coalition in Lebanese elections this month in which Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed “party of God”, was defeated. Obama had said that what had been true in Lebanon could be true in Iran as well – “you’re looking at people seeing new possibilities”.

            Tehran drew a different lesson from Hezbollah’s defeat, according to Lawrence Korb, of the Center for American Progress, who was a foreign policy adviser to Obama during his election campaign. “The mullahs were afraid that if they went 2-0 down, the United States and Europe would have taken a tougher line with them on the nuclear issue,” he said.

            Korb argued that the regime had rigged the vote in response to Obama’s success in reaching out to Muslims on a visit to the Middle East this month. “It shows how concerned the regime is about his popularity in the Muslim world. They didn’t have to fake the results of the previous election.”


            In a speech in Cairo, Obama signalled that while he supported human rights, he was willing to deal with autocrats. Iran’s foreign policy remains under the control of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader.

            Richard Perle, a neoconserva-tive and former Pentagon adviser, said Obama must share the blame for Ahmadinejad’s power grab. “Normally, when you unclench your fist it benefits the hardliners, because Obama appeared to be saying we can do business with you even with your present policies.”

            Iran’s defiance comes after a string of foreign policy setbacks for Obama, including North Korea’s test-firing of a nuclear missile and the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netan-yahu, refusing to freeze the building of settlements on the West Bank.

            “It underscores the folly of the president’s basic premise that the problem we have with bad actors around the world is that they don’t understand us,” said Frank Gaffney, of the Center for Security Policy, a conservative think tank. “These people are thugs and they have been emboldened by our weakness.”

            Obama’s relations with Russia could also be affected. The US had hoped to drop its proposed missile shield in eastern Europe, ostensibly designed for defence against Iran, in exchange for Russian pressure on Iran to suspend its nuclear programme.

            If negotiations on the nuclear issue fail, there is no appetite on Obama’s part for military action against Iran. American military chiefs remain adamantly opposed to taking on Iran while Iraq faces growing turmoil and US troops are surging into Afghanistan.

            If the Iranians continue to defy the West, “they will have to live with the consequences”, Korb predicted. “Sanctions will really start to bite.”


            And, FYI to all the wingnuts out there, Amadinejad wasn't elected until after Bush announced that Iran was in the "Axis of Evil". Prior to that, a reformist was in office.

            Basically, anyone who blames this "victory" on Obama (like Dick-head Pearle) is an idiot.
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            • #7
              The term 'reformist' is very loosely applied to any candidates that have passed the Supreme Leader test for compliance with and adherence to the Iranian revolution.

              The reasons for the election of Ahmadenijad originally appear to have been dissatisfaction with economic performance.
              "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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              • #8
                This is not entirely true. The clerical body of Iran has many facets. Not all of them adhere to Kahmenei and the Revolutionary Guard.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HalfLotus View Post
                  Decades of CIA/Mossad shenanigans will do that to a country.
                  They've done it to themselves, which I think is the worst tragedy. Iran is such a huge waste of potential. It's unlikely anything will change either, and even if Mousavi was elected he'd be another disappointment like Khatami. Ahmadinejad isn't even the problem, it's Khamenei and all the other clerics. In fact, it's the Iranian constitution.

                  And this young generation of Iranians are either too apathetic to change anything (unlike their parents), or they are too cowardly or just comfortably middle class to fight, unlike say the Kurds. So they "riot" every once in a while (you see worse riots at soccer games in Europe), but they're all dreaming of moving to the west and making lots of money.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous View Post
                    This is not entirely true. The clerical body of Iran has many facets. Not all of them adhere to Kahmenei and the Revolutionary Guard.
                    What you said does not detract from what I have said in any sense. Actual reformists, clerics or not, do not pass the Khameini taste test, is what I'm pointing out to you here.
                    What I'm also pointing out to you is that what Khameini says, goes.
                    "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kitschum View Post
                      They've done it to themselves, which I think is the worst tragedy. Iran is such a huge waste of potential. It's unlikely anything will change either, and even if Mousavi was elected he'd be another disappointment like Khatami. Ahmadinejad isn't even the problem, it's Khamenei and all the other clerics. In fact, it's the Iranian constitution.

                      And this young generation of Iranians are either too apathetic to change anything (unlike their parents), or they are too cowardly or just comfortably middle class to fight, unlike say the Kurds. So they "riot" every once in a while (you see worse riots at soccer games in Europe), but they're all dreaming of moving to the west and making lots of money.
                      A great post which is spot on. I'd add that Iran's high protectionist barriers, in addition to the sanctions, also contribute to the high inflation and low growth economic environment. Then there is the high level of corruption, the high level of government involvement in industry, etc... It's pretty telling that despite some of the highest oil prices on record over the last few years the Iranian economy has remained sluggish. Then there is the price controls which do help to keep prices low for average people but also insure no one will invest their own money into production because why start up a new factory building something if the government is going to demand you sell it at a lose or at the very least for virtually no profit? There just isn't much profit motive there.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sirotnikov View Post
                        Now would be a terrible timing for it. We're foolish but we're not complete idiots.
                        A strike right now would deflect the Iranian popular opinion form its corrupt tyrannical government, and unite them behind a single cause (hate for Israel).

                        Not to mention Nethanyahu reportedly promised the US not to 'surprise' them, and I doubt Obama would greenlight a strike at this time.
                        Yeah, no point. The Iranian ruling class is doing a good enough job of pissing off the common people right now so why get in the way? Akways give enemies enough rope to hang themselves.

                        Oh, and for people who think the election was fair I remind them that opposition news papers were all closed just days before the election, that foreign news websites were all blocked by the government during the election, and that the SMS (text messaging which far more young Iranians use then the internet from computers) was also mysteriously shut down across the country just before the election.
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                        • #13
                          Very true. The only question being if they can sustain their outrage.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Darn, I was backing Speilberg.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HalfLotus View Post
                              Decades of CIA/Mossad shenanigans will do that to a country.
                              Yes, ever since the Mossad / CIA coup in 1979 that brought misery on Iranian people. Wait... no ...

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