The Stimulus Is A Failure

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I believe the think was they could either pay for the police control at the official memorial or else put up with lots of stupid little memorials and people dumping crap (cards, flowers, posters, etc...) all over town. In the long run I do think they took the most cost effective option.

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Shocking that Gibbs (and the President) would lie about how the stimulus package was sold to the public.

What's shocking is how you continue to post opinion pieces from KARL ROVE(!!!!) as if it was an actual article Please get real articles and stop trying to pass off hit pieces as articles.

[zakubandit]

So we have moved from a free country of united states to a mafia like government. Sen Kyl of Arizona says the stimulus isn't working, Biden says you have to spend massive, historical amounts to save the country from bankruptcy *funny, spend more and get deeper into debt to avoid bankruptcy?*. Since Kyl said he wants to scrap the rest of the stimulus, the White House retaliates with department secretaries threatening them, extorting Arizona. Either you play ball and support us or you get nothing at all. Am I the only one who sees that it is wrong for the Fedis to be bullying states to accepting money or being dried up completely? Am I the only one that sees the Fedis making threats makes people not trust them at all, and the build up of the secession movement? (Skeptics, the media doesn't cover that stuff obviously)

[zakubandit]

Because someone is going to ask how I know there are states moving to declare sovereignty I present this:

According to Resistnet.com more and more states are finding that their Constitutional Rights are being challenged by the Obama administration and are taking steps to counteract it.

Already, 9 states: Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan,
Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. 12 others: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures. Of course, the citizens of each state would have to ratify the bill, just as they would have to vote to join the Union.

Several examples of the reasoning are that Christians might be considered guilty of “hate crimes” when talking about homosexuality, or the Muslim jihadist. For example, Geert Wilders, parliamentarian, is being prosecuted for “hate speech” in the Netherlands for his film “Fitna”, which exposes the Islamic mentality. Others fear that their 2nd Amendment rights will be taken away. Others may object to their tax money being used to fund abortions. Some may be medical personnel who would be forced to perform abortions under the new law, and, who may object to abortions.

In fact, the Founding Fathers included the 9th and 10th amendments to give relief to the people from an excessively over-bearing, or dictatorial government. I believe some some of the States are considering seceding because of the trillion dollar “Generational Theft Act” which is presently being debated in the Senate. As someone calculated, if one were to spend a million dollars a day from the time of Jesus’ Nativity, it would add up to a trillion dollars. So this porky package that includes, doggy playgrounds, a butterfly and turtle park and so much other pork spending is nothing more that #44’s payback to his campaign supporters.

From another perspective it is part of the Cloward-Piven Manufactured Crisis Strategy which was theorized by the Columbia University Professors Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, to transform Democratic Capitalism into Socialism via “community organizers”. Obama was trained at Saul Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation, so he may have learned of this Strategy during his years at Columbia. There are now around 40 lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be POTUSA, and, so far, no court has granted “standing”. So, if the people do not have “standing” to question who is their President, then who does?

The Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791, and restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states and to the people. It is based on an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.’ The 10th Amendment does not empower Congress to wage war upon those states that secede. Even though that is exactly what happened in 1860, as Jefferson Davis said “A question settled by force of arms remains forever unsettled.”

[DinoDoc]

What's shocking is how you continue to post opinion pieces from KARL ROVE(!!!!) as if it was an actual article Please get real articles and stop trying to pass off hit pieces as articles.

Considering the section I posted largely consisted of quotes from other people interspersed with an unemployment stat, I fail to see your problem.

[Drake Tungsten]

He *****ed about it being from the Murdoch-owned WSJ before he figured out it was written by Rove and changed his knee-jerk complaint.

[Dinner]

A great piece by the BBC which shows why China's stimulus package worked and, by implication, where the US stimulus package went wrong. China gave out virtually no tax cuts as tax cuts don't really stimulate new economic activity and instead they bet HUGE, like 10% of GDP in a single year, on real concrete and steel infrastructure projects. Roads, railroads, highways, new airports, new schools, new dams, etc... Building things which will help make the country more competitive in the long run and more importantly create a ****load of jobs. Not just in direct construction jobs (though it has those in droves) but also at suppliers who make things like steel, lumber, concrete, engineering services, electrical generators, train engines and railway cars, etc...

The Chinese basically copied the New Deal while Obama gave in to Republicans and let them not only cut our stimulus down so that it was too small but also he let Republicans lard it up with nonstimulative tax cuts.

[Drake Tungsten]

China didn't need to borrow the money for its stimulus, you ****. Also, the New Deal didn't work, China has a much greater potential for useful infrastructure spending than the US and the Republicans bear no responsibility for the final stimulus bill.

[zakubandit]

Too true Drake. China had their finances in pretty straight order.

It is so dry how everyone blames every failure on the republicans. Didn't your mothers every tell you to take responsibility for your own actions? Democrats had majority of the influence over the stimulus package, republicans got their words in, but they went on mostly deaf ears. This stimulus was a democrats wish list.

[Drake Tungsten]

Too true Drake.

Don't agree with me. You're only marginally less retarded than Oerdin.

[zakubandit]

Nope, I agree with you anyways. Though disagree that I am marginally less retarded than Oerdin. At least I can comprehend who did what in the stimulus package planning.

[Dinner]

Up yours flame boy.

[Dinner]

China didn't need to borrow the money for its stimulus, you ****. Also, the New Deal didn't work

Liar. We had a complete recovery in GDP with in 24 months of FDR taking office. In fact everything was great until 1938 when the Republicans, whining about spending, forced massive cuts in the New Deal which put us back into a modest recession. In 1939 FDR ignored the Republican obstructionists and once again ramped up stimulus spending and the economy shot up again.

BTW Zak is a complete ******** and if you have him on your side then you should really be rethinking your position.

[zakubandit]

Don't worry Poggie, you can hide behind my bullet magnet. Its nice and warm during the winter.

[Dinner]

You dumb ass.