Air France plane with 228 people vanishes

[Asher]

Quantas = Australian = Dale = Pilot Error.

Facts are facts are facts, Wiggy.

[Dis]

Facts are fact. That Bombardier crashed due to a ****** of a pilot, the computer was trying to save the plane but the pilot actively overrode the system and countered it...to their doom.

FACTS.

which incident are you referring too? I'm lost. Was this a recent crash?

[Dis]

Of course just as I was talking about the difficulty of operating in deep water, a recent remotely operated vehicle just reached the bottom of Challenger deep in the pacific ocean. The third, in fact, to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nereus_(underwater_vehicle)

[Winston]

Can we send Asher and Wiglaf to look for it?

Hands on the controls at all times.

[BlackCat]

Ouch

New information provided by sources within Air France suggests, that the ACARS messages of system failures started to arrive at 02:10Z indicating, that the autopilot had disengaged and the fly by wire system had changed to alternate law. Between 02:11Z and 02:13Z a flurry of messages regarding ADIRU and ISIS faults arrived, at 02:13Z PRIM 1 and SEC 1 faults were indicated, at 02:14Z the last message received was an advisory regarding cabin vertical speed. That sequence of messages could not be independently verified.

Term Explanation
Normal Law: Regular operating mode of the fly by wire (FBW) including all protections.
Alternate Law: Some of the protections in normal law, the regular operating mode, are dropped.
Direct Law: The controls (sidestick) inputs are converted into direct movements of control surfaces without computations or checks.
ADIRU: Air Data and Inertial Reference Unit provides air data (airspeed, altimeter, ...) and positional data (attitude, position) to the instruments
ISIS: Integrated Standby Instrument System is a completely independent, self contained system providing a third independent set of basic instruments (attitude indicator, altimeter, airspeed indicator) to the crew
PRIM 1: Flight Control primary computer #1, three of them monitor each other, one of them controls the control surfaces as master
SEC 1: Flight Control secondary computer #1, each of the two can control all airplane control surfaces in direct law and can become master in case of failure of all primary flight control computers.

http://avherald.com/h?article=41a81ef1&opt=0

PS. The site is a little slow, so give it time.

[Wiglaf]

DIS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY JESUS CHRIST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

ASHER as the aforementioned post CLEARLY SHOWS the fly by wire MALFUNCTIONED sending this jet into the OCEAN why don't you want to ADMIT THAT YOUR JOB can be done easier by a MACHINE TOO I suppose you never understood the concept of a YING YANG its CHINESE :maD:

[Asher]

DIS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY JESUS CHRIST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

ASHER as the aforementioned post CLEARLY SHOWS the fly by wire MALFUNCTIONED sending this jet into the OCEAN why don't you want to ADMIT THAT YOUR JOB can be done easier by a MACHINE TOO I suppose you never understood the concept of a YING YANG its CHINESE :maD:

Seriously: What happened was they were flying too slow. The autopilot put the plane into a dive to gain airspeed as the altitude was sufficient. The pilot interrupted this and pulled back on the yoke, slowing the airspeed even further which put the plane into a stall. It's why it fell "flat" on a house.

[SlowwHand]

[Wiglaf]

Seriously: What happened was they were flying too slow. The autopilot put the plane into a dive to gain airspeed as the altitude was sufficient. The pilot interrupted this and pulled back on the yoke, slowing the airspeed even further which put the plane into a stall. It's why it fell "flat" on a house.

SERIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CAN'T OVERRIDE IT AND [BOLDTHIS]THE COMPUTER IS WRONG[/BOLDTHIS]?!?!!?

[Asher]

SERIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CAN'T OVERRIDE IT AND [BOLDTHIS]THE COMPUTER IS WRONG[/BOLDTHIS]?!?!!?

If it didn't permit the pilot to override, all those people would still be alive.

[Dis]

Seriously: What happened was they were flying too slow. The autopilot put the plane into a dive to gain airspeed as the altitude was sufficient. The pilot interrupted this and pulled back on the yoke, slowing the airspeed even further which put the plane into a stall. It's why it fell "flat" on a house.

that's the way it looks on wiki. I'd call that pilot error (should have been flying manually anyways)

[SlowwHand]

How many hours do you have in now, Dis?

[Dis]

4084, thanks for asking.

[calmac87]

How unfortunate this whole situation was. I wish the best to all of the family members of the lost.

[SlowwHand]

4084, thanks for asking.

This is commonly known as a lie, Dis.