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  • "Liar" is the new "troll"

    Back in the day, calling someone a troll was the most effective and damning way to demonize people online. But it seems that things have changed. Now, trolling is just a skill it appears that the best way to gather community opinion against a targeted posted is to call that person a "liar."

    I'm not here to discuss the rightness or wrongness of any of the accusations.

    I'm really just observing that this technique has gained traction, heavily abetted by a side-dish of dogpiling. WTF is up with this? I mean, a lie is a lie. I get that. But WTF is up with generating pages and pages of he-said/he-said posts over one simple post? It's tedious and small-minded. And certainly not up to the posting standards I've come to expect from the intelligentsia here.

    Don't get me wrong; I acknowledge that it's a clever method and that it works. Once the poster has been demonized with this reputation (true or not; that's not the issue), suddenly there's a green light to question the veracity of single post from the "liar." It's quick, easy, and awesomely convenient. Just like "troll" used to be.

    There's definitely a bullying aspect to this that is unsavory. And the alpha males seem to have decided that there's no such thing as an honest mistake. Then it goes to what I will call "deduced lies" -- drawing unintended conclusions from the "liar's" post.

    Even better, when the accused defends himself/herself, things escalate. Suddenly the liar is "stalking" the accusers. It's all part of the demonization process.

    I know everyone's very worked up right now, what with a fresh site for inter-forum sniping, the transformation of our former watchers into ordinary netizens, etc. This place is hopping like it hasn't in years. And that's a good thing.

    Don't get me wrong; I'm not coming to anyone's defense. Liars suck. I dislike people who misrepresent things.

    In my view, when poor research, honest mistakes, mild misrepresentastions, ESL and, yes, actual lies are all twisted together into a dogpile-ready reputation smear, it can itself become, ironically, a misrepresentation.

    It's a trend I find disturbing and somewhat childish. But that's not the main thing. Hey, it's only the Interwebs and people are here by choice. I tend to be more forgiving than others, so I make no indictments here.

    Mostly, I'm tired of reading through all the crap.

    [/rant]
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  • #2
    None of this is true. Jrabbit is a liar!
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

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    • #3
      The trolls have a new toy, and they are playing with it.
      (\__/)
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      • #4
        The reason liar is said so much is that so many people are telling lies.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Yep.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
            The reason liar is said so much is that so many people are telling lies.
            Yep * 2

            If you are caught, just say so .
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
              Back in the day, calling someone a troll was the most effective and damning way to demonize people online. But it seems that things have changed. Now, trolling is just a skill it appears that the best way to gather community opinion against a targeted posted is to call that person a "liar."

              I'm not here to discuss the rightness or wrongness of any of the accusations.

              I'm really just observing that this technique has gained traction, heavily abetted by a side-dish of dogpiling. WTF is up with this? I mean, a lie is a lie. I get that. But WTF is up with generating pages and pages of he-said/he-said posts over one simple post? It's tedious and small-minded. And certainly not up to the posting standards I've come to expect from the intelligentsia here.

              Don't get me wrong; I acknowledge that it's a clever method and that it works. Once the poster has been demonized with this reputation (true or not; that's not the issue), suddenly there's a green light to question the veracity of single post from the "liar." It's quick, easy, and awesomely convenient. Just like "troll" used to be.

              There's definitely a bullying aspect to this that is unsavory. And the alpha males seem to have decided that there's no such thing as an honest mistake. Then it goes to what I will call "deduced lies" -- drawing unintended conclusions from the "liar's" post.

              Even better, when the accused defends himself/herself, things escalate. Suddenly the liar is "stalking" the accusers. It's all part of the demonization process.

              I know everyone's very worked up right now, what with a fresh site for inter-forum sniping, the transformation of our former watchers into ordinary netizens, etc. This place is hopping like it hasn't in years. And that's a good thing.

              Don't get me wrong; I'm not coming to anyone's defense. Liars suck. I dislike people who misrepresent things.

              In my view, when poor research, honest mistakes, mild misrepresentastions, ESL and, yes, actual lies are all twisted together into a dogpile-ready reputation smear, it can itself become, ironically, a misrepresentation.

              It's a trend I find disturbing and somewhat childish. But that's not the main thing. Hey, it's only the Interwebs and people are here by choice. I tend to be more forgiving than others, so I make no indictments here.

              Mostly, I'm tired of reading through all the crap.

              [/rant]


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              • #8
                Originally posted by dashi View Post
                none of this is true. Jrabbit is a liar!
                wft!
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #9
                  Please don't misquote me.
                  “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                  "Capitalism ho!"

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                  • #10
                    Jrabbit

                    The thing that amazes me is they never tire of it. As you said, "small minded", definite lack of imagination. Likely this thread of yours will bring them out for more of the same since they are truly impressed with their own endless 'look at me' behavior...

                    ...in 3...2...1...

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                    Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                    • #11
                      they are truly impressed with their own endless 'look at me' behavior
                      Irony.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #12
                        Whatever.
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                        Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                        • #13


                          ACK!
                          Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                          • #14
                            ****ING SCHISMATIC MOTHER ****ERs.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              What?
                              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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