Happy Birthday Hitler!

[Unimatrix11]

The two front war was an inevitability. The USSR was preparing to attack the Nazis, with a planned date of 1944-5. I suppose if more resources had been put into North Africa, the Brits could have been knocked out of the war sooner, but given the fact that the Nazis threw 80-90% of their military at the Soviets, I doubt they would have been able to succeed even if the USSR had their undivided attention.

So then, Hitler and Stalin planed their wars for quite the same time, as Poland was not meant to start a european war by Hitler. About north africa: I tend to share Mansteins opinion, that anything but an invasion of Britain could not even hope to be decicive and thus merely a diversion. All those coast lines would have needed garrisons - it would have eaten up half the Wehrmacht as occupation force to go through the middle east. BTW, Britain never was knocked out of the war, so ´sooner´ is out of the question. 80-90% is exgerated as well. 75-80% of the land forces where deployed in the USSR prior to Normandy and that doesnt take the subs or airplanes into account, both reducing that number further. The war in the east was, btw, unwinnable for Hitler, regardless of military strength, simply due to its intended nature of being a war of destruction - to surrender is not even an option, if extermination or siberia is what you get for it. Thus the soviets (are rather: the people in the east) would have kept on fighting, even if sticks and stones would have been all thats left to them.

[MOBIUS]

Messines Ridge (welsh miners, building tunnels under german positions, packing them with close to a million pounds of TNT and then blowing them up - completely destroying the position - one of the very few examples of a succesfull allied offensive prior to 1918).

Yep, the Welsh won WWI as well!

[Theben]

there's probably more swamp in your underpants than in all of Wales...

Sorry, I forgot what you call prime real estate is what the rest of the world calls a backwater. You guys make New Jersey look good.

[Theben]

Yep, the Welsh won WWI as well!

Did the Welsh repel the Mongol hordes from Europe also?

[Caligastia]

What I imagine Josef Goebbels would say if he were still alive today...

Still, it does serve as a timely reminder of the evils perpetrated during the Second World War.

One would have thought we would have learned to live together on this planet by learning the lessons of those dark days - No one should forget what people like Hitler did, but apparently we have if the state of the world today is anything to go by...

Funny thing...this post is so ambiguous it could be viewed as being either anti-nazi or pro-nazi.

[DinoDoc]

Funny thing...this post is so ambiguous it could be viewed as being either anti-nazi or pro-nazi.

I was expecting it to be pro-Nazi given who posted it.

[Lorizael]

Is it possible to godwinize a thread about Nazis?

[MOBIUS]

Mr Racist Extraordinaire appears to have done so...

[DinoDoc]

Is it possible to godwinize a thread about Nazis?

Not according to the law.

[Nikolai]

The only possible reason for celebrating Hitler's birthday, is the birthday present he got in Bergen, Norway in '44: A ship with 120 ammunition got blown up. But a lot of innocent people died, so then again no. Which brings me to the point: Why this thread?

[chequita guevara]

Cuz Mobius is a right ass.

April 20th is a notorious day in the U.S. It is remembered as the day of the fire at the Branch Davidian compound (although it was actually the day before). It is the day Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City, and it is the day in which the Columbine Massacre occurred.

[Wezil]

4/20 has significance for another reason as well.

[MOBIUS]

Four and Twenty Blackbirds baked in a pie?

[Wernazuma III]

The two front war was an inevitability. The USSR was preparing to attack the Nazis, with a planned date of 1944-5.

Source? AFAIK, the "plans" of a Soviet attack on Germany never were more than vague drafts and scenarios. There certainly was no decided strategy on the issue from what we know. Both dictators OTOH knew perfectly that there was another nutcase closeby, so thinking about invading the other was a most natural thing. Only that Hitler made such an attack a fact. Impossible to predict later conflicts had Barbarossa not happened. After all, Stalin didn't show much initiative towards starting a wholescale total war before WWII nor after WWII. But you can convince me by pointing to documents.

[MOBIUS]

C'mon, you should know Che is talking out of his arse - he is a communist after all.