En Garde!

[MOBIUS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmographiae_Introductio

Cosmographiae Introductio (Saint-Dié, 1507) was a book published in 1507 to accompany Martin Waldseemüller's map of the world and wall-map (Universalis Cosmographia), which was the first appearance of the name 'America'.

The full title of the book is: "Cosmographiae introductio *** quibusdam geometriae ac astronomiae principiis ad eam rem necessariis. Insuper quatuor Americi Vespucii navigationes. Universalis Cosmographiae descriptio tam in solido quam plano, eis etiam insertis, quae Ptholomaeo ignota a nuperis reperta sunt."

IIRC Laz debunked all that in the other thread...

[MOBIUS]

I'm not the dullard who keeps trying to prop up his 'nations' street cred with false history...

I wasn't saying you were - who is this dullard anyway, he sounds terribly earnest...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Interestingly no link to that thread... once again the Welsh fall short.

[MOBIUS]

Follow the thread properly... Imran attention span fail!

[Imran Siddiqui]

You mean the theory that Laz put forward without any link to proof?

You mean the one that Will9 utterly distroyed?

I was hoping you'd have something a bit more substantial than that!

[MOBIUS]

You mean the theory that Laz put forward without any link to proof?

Perfectly good theory IMO - just as good as the commonly 'accepted' theory...

You mean the one that Will9 utterly distroyed?

You mean the Will9 wikipedia reference I a) made to show didn't actually prove anything; and b) came up with my own wikipedia page utterly contradicting the one he came up with...

I was hoping you'd have something a bit more substantial than that!

And I was hoping that you knew better than to claim by association that any link to wikipedia was substantial, or proof...

I'd take a theory put forward by Laz over a random wikipedia entry any day of the week!

[Imran Siddiqui]

came up with my own wikipedia page utterly contradicting the one he came up with

Yeah, not really (ie, look at Will's last post on the thread... which went unanswered).

I'd take a theory put forward by Laz over a random wikipedia entry any day of the week!

I'm glad your levels of proof are so low. In the real world we ask for more.

And of course none of this answers why English Americans would prefer to advance a theory that the land was named for an Italian rather than one of their own if it wasn't true (especially considering that New England was very pro-British in the period following the Revolution).

[Imran Siddiqui]

dp

[Drake Tungsten]

Link? I want to see Laz get pwned...

[MOBIUS]

Yeah, not really (ie, look at Will's last post on the thread... which went unanswered).

Not worth answering - what part of "My wikipedia pages contradicted his wikipedia pages" don't you get...?

I'm glad your levels of proof are so low. In the real world we ask for more.

I respect Laz's knowledge more than Wikipedia. 'In the real world' apparently you seem to think that Wikipedia is fine for proof - despite the fact that I have shown as proof the irony in Will9's argument that the wiki pages contradict themselves! I forgot, how silly of me - you yanks don't do irony!

E.g. if you appear to accept wiki pages as proof (you are happy to accept Will9's argument based on wiki pages, after all) - why not accept my wiki pages...?

And of course none of this answers why English Americans would prefer to advance a theory that the land was named for an Italian rather than one of their own if it wasn't true (especially considering that New England was very pro-British in the period following the Revolution).

Because the English would rather that than the embarrassment of acknowledging that some stubborn upstart people they'd already spent 500 years failing to eradicate on their doorstep had spawned someone who'd had an entire New World named after them...

[MOBIUS]

BTW, someone thought fit to inscribe on the Washington Monument:

Fy iaith, fy ngwlad, fy nghenedl Cymru - Cymru am byth! "My language, my land, my nation of Wales - Wales for ever!"

Why would they do that?

[notyoueither]

Why would a Red Sox fan throw a jersey into the foundation of Yankee Stadium?

[Theben]

I wasn't saying you were - who is this dullard anyway, he sounds terribly earnest...

See? Perpetually clueless, i.e. a typical Welshman.

[MOBIUS]

Just not recognising who you're talking about...

After all, there are plenty of Americans in this thread trying to prop up their nation's street cred with false history - whereas I was successfully propping up your nation's street cred with actual history.

You were attacking yourself?

But you said you had 'an IQ over 100'...?

[MOBIUS]

Why would a Red Sox fan throw a jersey into the foundation of Yankee Stadium?

That's a pathetic argument, and you know it. So thanks for making it.