Boss-napping

[Asher]

A gilded cage is still a cage.

So you refuse to answer the question.

Que surprise!

[snoopy369]

The hell we don't. If you ask your boss for a raise, you're engaging in class war.

Good one, Che, good one. If I ask my boss for a raise, it's class war???

How about, "If I ask my boss if I can work from home, it's class war!" Or, "If I ask my boss if I can drink on the job, it's class war!" Those are better...

[chequita guevara]

dp

[chequita guevara]

I'm not making personal attacks.

And the rich are parasites. The only reason they are still, temporarily, necessary, is because they allow workers to assume management of society. Once the workers have that skill, the capitalist will be completely superfluous.

I'd also point out that this economic crisis cost me both of my last two jobs. I'm not idle out of choice.

[DaShi]

Viva la revolution! Spare no one!

[chequita guevara]

So you refuse to answer the question.

Que surprise!

I did answer the question. You claim that because the workers aren't being beaten like red-headed stepchildren or some such, they aren't really oppressed. The fact that they must sell their labor power for a wage at all is oppression! But like the house slaves of old, your sympathy is not for your fellow workers, but for your masters. You look out at the slaves in the field and think yourself better than them, even when you master sells you to another.

[snoopy369]

If I don't work, I will starve. That's called... hmm, what is it. Oh yeah. FACT. The fact that I choose to work by working for someone instead of moving out to the ****ing boonies and growing my own food is called a 'choice'. I could move out to the ****ing boonies if I wanted, as could everyone in America (well, not all at once, but that's also a fact, and not something socialism is going to stop). What's the ****ing difference if I work for some guy, or if I work for 'the government' [or 'the society' which is even worse, given our general ability to accomplish things by committee being somewhere near zero]? Either way I do some labor, and get food/shelter/entertainment/comfort from it.

[chequita guevara]

If I don't work, I will starve.

The same was true for slaves. I guess they weren't oppressed either. Yes, we all have to work in order to get what we need from the Earth in order to survive. Wow, you've discovered something profound. Do you think we all need to breathe, too? It is the conditions of labor that are oppressive, that we do not work for ourselves, freely, but must either be sold or sell ourselves to others. That we have a choice of masters doesn't make us free, because we do not have the choice not to have masters.

[Kuciwalker]

The same was true for slaves. I guess they weren't oppressed either.

Dude, you don't even understand basic syllogisms FFS. The point was that "if I don't work, I will starve" isn't a sufficient condition for being oppressed.

[Az]

French labor

moronic american "insight" into labor who thinks that more hours=more productivity.

If people are told to work 40 hrs instead of 35 for the same wage, it's violation of their rights.
If people are getting a raise for that money, it's usually a dumb managerial decision.

[DaShi]

I tolerate the masters in hopes of being a master one day myself.

[chequita guevara]

Dude, you don't even understand basic syllogisms FFS. The point was that "if I don't work, I will starve" isn't a sufficient condition for being oppressed.

Apparently you aren't able to read.

[snoopy369]

The same was true for slaves. I guess they weren't oppressed either. Yes, we all have to work in order to get what we need from the Earth in order to survive. Wow, you've discovered something profound. Do you think we all need to breathe, too? It is the conditions of labor that are oppressive, that we do not work for ourselves, freely, but must either be sold or sell ourselves to others. That we have a choice of masters doesn't make us free, because we do not have the choice not to have masters.

The same is true for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. EVERYONE has to work to eat. Thus your argument is moot. I'm not making it as an argument, so of course it's not a profound thought... my point is, YOUR thought is meaningless.

As I said, I could work for myself, but I choose not to, because it is better for me to work for someone else, who can bring me more money (=food/shelter/entertainment) than I could on my own.

What do you suggest? Scrap capitalism, enter communism. Who am I working for? What do I do to acquire food/shelter/entertainment?

[DinoDoc]

French labor

What's your beef with Hamas again? I thought you were against terrorism.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I wonder if commies like che would really like to take "class war" to its conclusion. You think the 'workers' are oppressed now... try to actually start this "class war". Can guarentee you that most won't be with the 'workers'.