Boss-napping

[Asher]

I did answer the question. You claim that because the workers aren't being beaten like red-headed stepchildren or some such, they aren't really oppressed. The fact that they must sell their labor power for a wage at all is oppression!

So anyone who earns a wage is oppressed, by your logic.

You're so amazingly naive.

[Asher]

French labor

moronic american "insight" into labor who thinks that more hours=more productivity.

Statistics show American workers to be more productive than French workers, so the only thing moronic here is either you or this comment.

[DaShi]

We must break the cycle of the class struggle the same way they broke the cycle on BSG! Wait. . .they didn't break the cycle, did they?

[Felch]

Let's say I'm on an island and there is abundant food growing on trees for me to eat. I starve if I don't go to the tree and get the fruits that are hanging there. Getting the fruit is work. I starve if I don't work. Therefore the island is oppressing me.

[Asher]

I wonder if commies like che would really like to take "class war" to its conclusion. You think the 'workers' are oppressed now... try to actually start this "class war". Can guarentee you that most won't be with the 'workers'.

che lives in a world where no one has to work. It's no surprise someone so lazy ends up in the situation he's in.

I was unemployed for all of a ****ing week in the worst economy in 26 years. If you lost your job, instead of posting about class warfare online gain marketable skills. Do some work. Be a positive and productive member of society, not a leach whining about how oppressive it is that people need to work.

Somebody needed to smack you out of this petulant little phase a long time ago, che.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I wonder if people like che are why fascism starts to look good to some?

[Az]

Statistics show American workers to be more productive than French workers, so the only thing moronic here is either you or this comment.

Hey hey hey apples oranges jazz! Btw, digging into those statistics almost always finds great skews.

The basic assumption of "people at work= people working" is idiocy. Anyone who ever has worked in an office knows it. try median GDP per workerhour and see things will change.

P.S. awesome terrorism post, Dino.

[Asher]

Hey hey hey apples oranges jazz! Btw, digging into those statistics almost always finds great skews.

The basic assumption of "people at work= people working" is idiocy. Anyone who ever has worked in an office knows it. try median GDP per workerhour and see things will change.

P.S. awesome terrorism post, Dino.

While this is all nice in theory, I'll point out to you that France used to be important and they're far from important today.

Statistics or not, this cannot be denied.

[chequita guevara]

So what the argument of a bunch of you is coming down to is, I'm unemployed, therefore my opinion doesn't count.

[KrazyHorse]

No, the argument is that you're a nincompoop therefore your opinion doesn't count.

I'm having a hard time seeing a problem with that logic.

[Az]

While this is all nice in theory, I'll point out to you that France used to be important and they're far from important today.

Statistics or not, this cannot be denied.

oh, cool.

[Asher]

So what the argument of a bunch of you is coming down to is, I'm unemployed, therefore my opinion doesn't count.

It's just kind of interesting how somebody who thinks working is "being oppressed" is chronically unemployed. Isn't it?

[Provost Harrison]

Would you have prefered the phrase "held hostage"? Does that make it more palatable?

So if it wasn't a kidnapping, how about an unlawful arrest? That's still a crime in most places.

Depriving your fellow citizen of their liberty and personal security (in this case, barricading them in an office) is not the behavior of a decent person. Trying to justify it by splitting hairs just makes you look like a jerk.

I'm not opposed to unions that serve a valid purpose. Workers that are mistreated have a right to organize and freely associate with one another. But organizing into a criminal conspiracy, in order to coerce management into giving you money is not a valid purpose. It's racketeering.

My main point with this was meant to be that the press was certainly sensationalising by using the term kidnapping. Granted, the method of barricading is a little dubious. I think the good old fashioned withdrawal of labour in the form of a strike is by far the best approach if the circumstances come down to it.

Sometimes I don't understand Europeans. I guess the fact that their continent has been ravaged with wars for so long that they just wanna live their life in content laziness.

Maybe that's why idiots like Provost come here advocating a welfare state and class warfare. They like to point fingers, like blaming this economic crisis on the rich people. Oh wait, don't they blame everything on the "rich" people?

You see, in America, we don't have class warfare. Everyone just minds their own business, most of the time, and lives their life. We don't need European intellectuals coming here to remind us to unionize and destroy our business.

But go ahead, enjoy your welfare state, sit in your appartment and suck on society's teet until you're old enough to retire. Rant and rave about the evils of capitalism, of wealthy people, of conservatives.. tell people to unionize, riot, murder.

Hey, it worked for you guys in the 1930s, right?

Eurotrash scum.

Perhaps before I report you for racism (who are you troll? Which one of our prolific DLers is behind you this time) perhaps we should go through what you have said. This very crisis is a result of the actions of the bubble caused by the gambles taken by the financial institutions of this planet (not country but internationally, and I think my own (UK) government has as big a part in that as the US before we start pointing fingers).

So what do you propose? Full control by industry and the corporation where no one has any choice but to acquiesce to their every whim? You see I am not taking the irrational position, I am saying that there needs to be a counter to the corporate powers. How on earth is allowing one group to have all the power unchecked going to lead to a balanced society? I state to you again, why does your beloved country have the ****tiest worker rights, shortest holidays and longest working hours in the Western world? And don't start going all "American dream" on me, that bullsh*t rhetoric doesn't work on us "Eurocommies". We don't think you are the be-all-and-end-all, contrary to what you lot like to think of yourselves.

Also I think you fail to understand my position too. I've worked for large corporations, one of them very large in fact. An utterly soul-destroying situation and somewhere I have no intention to go again. Constantly **** on, taken for a f**king mug and basically shafted because of the lack of collective bargaining which had been successfully eroded by the company. Because I work for a much smaller organisation, and thus I am actually an asset rather than another worker drone, I am actually valued. Alas not everyone has that privilege.

Now I have also reported your post to the administrators of this board because of the racism within it, and the fact I suspect you are a DL.

[Imran Siddiqui]

the press was certainly sensationalising by using the term kidnapping

... uh, you know in a court of law (at least in the US), that would be legally defined as a kidnapping or false imprisonment, right? Would you rather have the press use the term imprisonment?

Or held hostage? I mean that brings up connotations of terrorism.

[snoopy369]

Someone suggested he was Spink, and he didn't say no, so...