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  • #76
    Originally posted by DanS View Post
    FYI, the car companies in Japan don't have unions.
    Yes, they do.

    nytimes.com
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E03E4DA1138F93BA25756C0A965948260

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
    http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2006/01/what_price_succ.html


    Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
    What's better is that Che both states that Japanese auto workers are BETTER compensated than Americans, AND that busting the union will lead to lower wages here.
    Workers in non-union states earn less (on everything) than workers in union states do. Workers in unionized countries earn more than workers in non-unionized countries. Anyone who thinks that busing a union doesn't lead to lowered wages is a moron.

    Originally posted by Asher View Post
    Source?

    Last I saw, the manufacturing costs at VW are a tiny fraction of what they are at the Big Three.
    I already sourced this when I schooled you in your last anti-union thread.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #77
      Indeed, Google reveals that they do.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #78
        Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post

        Workers in non-union states earn less (on everything) than workers in union states do. Workers in unionized countries earn more than workers in non-unionized countries. Anyone who thinks that busing a union doesn't lead to lowered wages is a moron.



        I already sourced this when I schooled you in your last anti-union thread.
        You didn't source it, and if you did did I don't remember it. You certainly didn't school me.

        You're throwing these figures around. Show me the labour costs in Europe and Japan vs America on average. You can't bull**** with rhetoric in this kind of debate.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #79
          It should be noted that "non-union states" has no meaning in fact.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #80
            Originally posted by DanS View Post
            The irony of a UAW hand-picked jury that isn't quite what they expected is funny to me.
            I find it amusing that you think this group was "hand picked" by the UAW.

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #81
              The Democratic Party is owned by the UAW, donchaknow?
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
              -Bokonon

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              • #82
                The great thing about cars with low resell value is buying them used*. The bad thing is that someone has to buy them new for that to happen.

                (*with a bit of car savvy, or the advice of someone you trust with said savvy, you can get a great deal. My first car was a Chevy Corsica. $8k, with 8k miles on it. Essentially brand new. Great condition, good gas mileage, and had plenty of power. One mechanical problem (still under warranty) that was fixed early on, then problem free for 180k miles.)

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by DanS View Post
                  It should be noted that "non-union states" has no meaning in fact.
                  Jesus Christ! Open versus closed shop, same ****ing thing.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #84
                    Still waiting for the stats
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #85
                      I'm thinking I should be able to get a good deal on a car this year. Flipside is I imagine my trade-in will be worth less than before...

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post
                        Jesus Christ! Open versus closed shop, same ****ing thing.
                        No, it's not the same. Toyota's Indiana plants are non-unionized, while GM's Indiana plants are unionized, as one example.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #87
                          As a matter of fact, the city is serviced by the world's largest train station:


                          Toyota and Nagoya aren't the same city.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut View Post
                            As a matter of fact, the city is serviced by the world's largest train station:


                            Toyota and Nagoya aren't the same city.
                            Didn't say they were.

                            The closest Shinkansen station is Mikawa-Anjō Station (often simply referred to as Anjo), but people of Toyota usually use Nagoya Station because Nozomi and Hikari do not stop at Mikawa-Anjo.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #89
                              The closest (or most convenient) bullet train station is not the same as the train station the city is actually serviced by.

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                              • #90
                                I approve of this side-show.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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