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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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If you show up the next time 
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I showed up for the last one at the burger joint so if I say I will be there for the next group, I will there.
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How much of your salary are you willing to give up to keep your company afloat, Asher?Originally posted by Asher View PostIf GM itself declares bankruptcy could they use that as an excuse to break the union?
I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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Asher has marketable skills, Theben, and no doubt believes he would simply leave and find employment elsewhere.
I'm not saying an autoworker has no skills, but they cannot, as far as I know, go out and find job (at least another job making cars) that pays as well elsewhere. The two situations simply aren't comparable.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I would give up the insane benefits the UAW people get, to start. Oh wait, I don't even get those.Originally posted by Theben View Post
I would also give up my inflated salary compared to what the market should pay. Oh wait, I don't get that either.
All I'm asking for is the autoworkers get the same treatment as I do. No union, no inflated benefits, no inflated salary -- market forces."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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If the company isn't making as much money, then Asher's contribution to the total sales has also declined. In both cases, a company will cut costs.Originally posted by Arrian View Post
All I'm asking for is the autoworkers get the same treatment as I do. No union, no inflated benefits, no inflated salary -- market forces.
A union is a market force.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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Theben, even a union organizer wouldn't make that argument (that it is a market force). It is closer to a governmental organization than a market force, or market element, or anything related to the market in any but the loosest sense.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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Without various worker advocacy groups/acts, public and private, even 1st world (which wouldn't be 1st world) techies like Asher would be paid **** and live in hovels.Comment
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Yep, the economy's in the tank, let's save it by throwing hundreds of thousands of highly paid workers out of work.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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It is better to cut salaries.
If they are highly paid, then they can save money.
It is better that they spend almost all the money they make.I need a foot massageComment
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I wonder what the Union members themselves would say if given the choice.
"We can either:
a) Cut everyone's salary to 60% of its original level
or
b) Fire 40% of you (at random, no seniority protection)"<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.Comment
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GM's going to be laying off people anyway, even if there are significant wage and benefit concessions. Admittedly, any wage and benefit reductions will help. There's a huge oversupply in car manufacturing. This was so even before the recent downturn.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by chequita guevara View PostYep, the economy's in the tank, let's save it by throwing hundreds of thousands of highly paid workers out of work.
Well, genius - please tell what else to do.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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How about not throwing highly paid workers out of work.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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And how do you suggest that this is avoided ?Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post
Edit : how do you expect these workers to continue making thingies that noone want's to buy and still get paid ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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