Army suicide rate "terrifying"

[snoopy369]

Ah, okay. I guess that makes sense. Usually 'processed' carbs (ie, bread) are basically fart-free, since farts are primarily caused by undigested food making it a certain way in.

[Felch]

Yaay, all the cockroaches are crawling out of the woodwork today...

The ultimate irony behind the slander that you idiots peddle: That I apparently enjoy counting the deaths and general hardship of US soldiers - indeed that I am in some way sexually aroused each time a US solider dies, as some of you have tastefully claimed...

Is that I am one of the minority of people on this forum that was AGAINST the war in Iraq - thus keeping US soldiers out of harm's way!

It is no accident that at least two of you (not sure about Arrian? I guess Arrian's just jealous he didn't have the balls to stand up and be counted when his country most needed him - I just don't remember what his POV was. In fact are you a D or an R?) were in favour of sending US soldiers to their deaths, hideous injuries and increased suicides in a pointless and illegal war...

I hope you're both at ease with your consciences, knowing that your wishes have cost the lives of over 4,000 US soldiers and, what, c.20,000 wounded?

Have either of you two visited a military hospital to say "sorry"?



So why don't you STFU with your cowardly and most certainly two faced lies, DinoDoc and Felch (and maybe Arrian)...

I wasn't aware that I supported the war in Iraq. I oppose letting other countries tell America how to run its own affairs, but I was never convinced that Iraq posed a threat. In that light, I reject the claim that the war is "illegal," but I certainly don't think that it makes strategic sense. In other words, my opposition is cold-hearted and rational, and not based on moral grounds. I believe that morals are secondary to the strategic needs of a nation.

If you care to search the archives for some quote of mine that supports America invading Iraq, feel free to waste your time.

Otherwise, keep this in mind: the reason I pick on you is because you're a self-righteous jerk who refuses to recognize that other people sincerely hold different opinions. Even if I disagree with people, I try very hard to hear them out and take their point of view seriously. There are plenty of people here on Poly that I can disagree with on good terms. Just in this thread, Vel and I held differing views. He is deeply concerned about the spike in suicides, while I wait for more information to see if this isn't an anomaly. Rather than resort to childish name calling we both behave like adults.

I have never had a disagreement with you that didn't wind up with you acting like a brat.

I understand where you're coming from. You think that you're better than everybody and you spend your free time desperately trying to prove it. Do you have even the slightest glimmer of where I'm coming from?

[snoopy369]

I see a book ...
'Felch is from Maryland, Mobius is from Mars.'

[MOBIUS]

I wasn't aware that I supported the war in Iraq. I oppose letting other countries tell America how to run its own affairs, but I was never convinced that Iraq posed a threat. In that light, I reject the claim that the war is "illegal," but I certainly don't think that it makes strategic sense. In other words, my opposition is cold-hearted and rational, and not based on moral grounds. I believe that morals are secondary to the strategic needs of a nation.

If you care to search the archives for some quote of mine that supports America invading Iraq, feel free to waste your time.

Ah well, most of my groupies are rabid frothing at the mouth republican types who had a hard on for GWII and I just lumped you in with them cos you fit the type. So apologies for my unintentional slandering, but you see how it works...

Otherwise, keep this in mind: the reason I pick on you is because you're a self-righteous jerk who refuses to recognize that other people sincerely hold different opinions.

Ha, you call me a brat and yet you willfully admit to 'picking on me'...

Even if I disagree with people, I try very hard to hear them out and take their point of view seriously.

No, you pick on me. You just said it yourself. You hunt me out and deliberately attack me. That is hardly someone who, in your words "Tries very hard to hear them out and take their point of view seriously"...

There are plenty of people here on Poly that I can disagree with on good terms. Just in this thread, Vel and I held differing views. He is deeply concerned about the spike in suicides, while I wait for more information to see if this isn't an anomaly. Rather than resort to childish name calling we both behave like adults.

Well, you admit to picking on me, so virtually every post is you resorting to childish name calling. Just like this very thread, there I was minding my own business and who should come along but Felch...

I have never had a disagreement with you that didn't wind up with you acting like a brat.

Excuse me!? Me acting like a brat!? From the person who admits to deliberately seeking me out to call me names...

I understand where you're coming from. You think that you're better than everybody and you spend your free time desperately trying to prove it.

Well, judging by this exchange alone I know I am better than you, and I don't have to prove a thing - you're my number #1 cheerleader just through your own petty actions trying to get back at me.

Do you have even the slightest glimmer of where I'm coming from?

Yeah, you're a small-minded dick that doesn't know when to quit. I keep beating you down like the inferior little meathead that you are and you keep seeking me out for more and more punishment.

Keep it up though, cos I'm happy to oblige...

[Theben]

Ben

My guess would be the prolonged deployments coupled with the current economic outlook played a large part in the suicides. But it's still just a guess.

[Barnabas]

I imagine that this happens because they lost an arm, saw a friend die and that it was all for nothing.
It is not like the Iraq War can shower someone with glory.
Everybody sees it as a mistake, those guys endured horrible things for a mistake.

[MOBIUS]

I see a book ...
'Felch is from Maryland, Mobius is from Mars.'

Yeah, he's my b*tch and he knows it...

[Velociryx]

Ben

My guess would be the prolonged deployments coupled with the current economic outlook played a large part in the suicides. But it's still just a guess.

Theben, I'd agree with that, and add in the Pentagon's new rules regarding compensation for "non combat" injuries (an example that was reported was a military vehicle getting hammered by a mine, injuring those inside...but, you know, they weren't actually fightin bad guys, so why give them compensation for their lost limbs...

With that sort of cheap a$$ treatment going on, I'm sure it's easy to lose hope, so that may well be part of the equation.

I dunno...just thinking out loud.

-=Vel=-

[snoopy369]

Umm, you do know the normal order of the title, right?

[MOBIUS]

I do, but since you said I'm from Mars, it stands to reason that Felch is my b*tch...

[Felch]

DD, it's pretty much never slanderous if you're talking about MOBIUS. He's the Welsh version of Ben Kenobi.

I'm sorry, Ben. I never should have said this.

Ben Kenobi is stubborn, insufficiently skeptical of his sources, and I often disagree with him. But I can't recall him being anything but polite. Sure he seems to favor blogs that agree with him, rather than seeking alternative viewpoints that would challenge his opinions. And while he may hold viewpoints that are offensive to some (I know Asher takes a great deal of offense) he always tries to present these viewpoints as an adult. I'm sure even Asher would agree to that. If I recall correctly, Asher even said that what really upsets him about Ben is that he is always polite about what he says, and that his politeness makes it that much more frustrating. I'll poke around and look for that thread if anybody really cares.

Ben I don't always agree with you, but I appreciate that you bring a different view to this forum, and that you do so in a mature and appropriate manner. Just try to broaden your sources a bit. Cave ab homine unius libri.

[MOBIUS]

Bravo Felch. See how cathartic it is to admit one's mistakes and say sorry.

My door is always open when you feel you can do the same with me.

[Kidlicious]

It seems likely to me that the drugs being used are causing side effects. That's the first place that I would look.

They just found out that I'm sleeping with their women.

[MOBIUS]

Christ on a bike...

[Unimatrix11]

I imagine that this happens because they lost an arm, saw a friend die and that it was all for nothing.
It is not like the Iraq War can shower someone with glory.
Everybody sees it as a mistake, those guys endured horrible things for a mistake.

Thats pretty much what i wanted to say. This has all sorts of implications. Not only might you feel abused and betrayed to the extreme, but if the one thing, you were convinced about, falls to pieces right in front of your eyes, personal crisis emerges inevitably.