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    From the BBC:

    Iran satellite move sparks fears

    Iran launches own satellite


    Western powers have expressed serious concerns after Iran launched its first domestically-made satellite into orbit.

    Iran says the satellite, carried on a Safir-2 rocket, is meant for research and telecommunications purposes and insists its intentions are peaceful.

    But the US, UK and France have voiced concerns that the technology used could lead to ballistic missile development.

    The move comes a day before officials from six world powers meet to discuss a row over Iran's nuclear activities.

    Iran is subject to United Nations sanctions because some Western powers think it is trying to build a nuclear bomb.

    Tehran denies that claim and says its nuclear ambitions are limited to the production of energy.

    The group of six - comprising the US, Russia, China, UK, France and Germany - has offered Iran a package of incentives if it suspends uranium enrichment and enters into talks on its nuclear programme.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, speaking after meeting UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband, said the US representative at the talks in Frankfurt would continue to discuss the approach to take towards Iran.

    "It is clear that... Iran has an opportunity to step up and become a productive member of the international community," she said.

    "As President Obama said, we are reaching out a hand [to Iran] but the fist has to unclench."

    'Great concern'

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday night's launch of the Omid (Hope) satellite had been successful and that with it Iran had "officially achieved a presence in space".

    IRAN SPACE AMBITIONS
    Feb 2009: Iran declares launch of first home-built satellite into orbit
    Aug 2008: Iran launches rocket 'capable of carrying satellite'
    Feb 2008: Iran launches research rocket as part of satellite launch preparations, Tehran says
    Feb 2007: Iran says it launches rocket capable of reaching space, which makes parachute-assisted descent to Earth
    Oct 2005: Russian rocket launches Iran's first satellite, Sina-1


    Iran's slow but sure missile advance
    The event appeared to be timed to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the Iranian revolution.

    Reacting to the launch, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said: "This action does not convince us that Iran is acting responsibly to advance stability or security in the region."

    US state department official Robert Wood said Iran's activities could "possibly lead to the development of ballistic missiles" and were of "great concern".

    French foreign ministry spokesman Eric Chevallier said France was "very concerned" about the launch.

    "We can't help but link this to the very serious concerns about the development of military nuclear capability," he said.

    UK Foreign Office minister Bill Rammell said the launch underlined the UK's "serious concerns about Iran's intentions".

    "There are dual applications for satellite launching technology in Iran's ballistic missile programme," he said in a statement.

    "As a result, we think this sends the wrong signal to the international community, which has already passed five successive UN Security Council resolutions on Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programme."

    Iran says its satellite will be used for research and telecommunications
    Speaking after the launch, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki stressed the satellite project was "for purely peaceful purposes and to meet the needs of the country".

    BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says Iran has now joined a small group of less than half a dozen nations that can put a satellite into orbit.

    Of greater concern to the US and and allies though will be what it says about Iran's developing missile capability, our correspondent says, because there is little intrinsic difference between a rudimentary space-launcher and a long-range ballistic missile.

    It is just such a potential threat that the US missile defence system in central Europe is intended to defend against, he says, and Iran's move adds an additional level of complication as US President Barack Obama seeks to open a new path of dialogue with Tehran.

    John Pike, an expert at the US-based think-tank GlobalSecurity.org, confirmed to the BBC that the launch had been a success and the satellite was now established in a low Earth orbit.

    Space centre

    Last August, Iran said it had successfully launched a rocket capable of carrying its first domestically built satellite, having in February launched a low-orbit research rocket as part of preparations for the satellite launch.

    That launch marked the inauguration of a new space centre, at an unidentified desert location, which included an underground control station and satellite launch pad.

    The White House called the 2008 launch "unfortunate", warning it would further isolate Iran from the global community.

    In February 2007, Iran said it had launched a rocket capable of reaching space - before it made a parachute-assisted descent to Earth.

  • #2
    Meh, stop whining about Iran trying to build a space program, or whatever. It's really tiresome. If they're building ballistic missiles and firing them at people, we stop them when that becomes apparent (and you can't have a missile program without actually firing some missiles, so it will become quite apparent); if they are peacefully trying to develop a space program, let them join the first world and do so. Alienating them is a good way to make sure they do the former and not the latter.

    Also, why the heck did they say 'a small group of less than half a dozen nations'. Five? Four? These are numbers that are rather easier to write than "less than half a dozen", and are far more precise...
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    • #3
      Meh, stop whining about Iran trying to build a space program, or whatever. It's really tiresome. If they're building ballistic missiles and firing them at people, we stop them when that becomes apparent (and you can't have a missile program without actually firing some missiles, so it will become quite apparent); if they are peacefully trying to develop a space program, let them join the first world and do so.


      Dude, they're exactly the same thing.

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      • #4
        Iranians in Space


        It's a radical solution, but I sincerely believe it's for the best.

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        • #5
          Dude, they're exactly the same thing.


          QFT. Iran justed tested an ICBM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
            Also, why the heck did they say 'a small group of less than half a dozen nations'. Five? Four? These are numbers that are rather easier to write than "less than half a dozen", and are far more precise...
            Because no one really knows. Is Israel, is South Africa, is North Korea? However, since we know of 7 for sure (US, GB, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan) that text is severely misleading.
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            • #7
              Pakistan can put satellites into orbit?

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              • #8
                And everyone arguing for the development of missile defense prior to Iran devolping the missiles it defends against have been proved correct. Suck it Russia.
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                • #9
                  Take off and nuke the site from space.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Blaupanzer View Post
                    Because no one really knows. Is Israel, is South Africa, is North Korea? However, since we know of 7 for sure (US, GB, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan) that text is severely misleading.
                    South Africa had three nukes but gave them up right before the white only government feel. The white power guys apparently didn't like the idea of blacks with nukes. Argentina and Brazil both had nuclear programs but gave up their nuclear materials (like South Africa they gave them to the US in exchange for generous amounts of aid) while Israel, North Korea, India, and Pakistan are all confirmed nuclear powers but places like Iran desperately want to be nuclear powers. Note there are a **** load of countries which could be nuclear powers if they wanted to but they're secure enough in themselves that they don't feel the need. Compare that to the basket cases of North Korea and Iran who have totalitarian regimes who desperately want nukes to prove their dick isn't the smallest on the block.
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                    • #11
                      well if you were a member of axis of evil - you'd want nukes too after Iraq )

                      as for Iranians in space to third world development... the funniest part is how everyone here is freaked out by Iranians putting sattelites into orbit, but are not freaked out by Pakistanis having nukes (& capability to deliver) for 10 years or so...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut View Post
                        Dude, they're exactly the same thing.


                        QFT. Iran justed tested an ICBM.
                        +1

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                        • #13
                          What are the compartive payloads of satelites and nukes?

                          How would iranian nukes ´destabilize the region´ as is often claimed? AFAIK ´destabilizing´ is not quite the appropriate attribute for nuclear weapons.

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                          • #14
                            They would 'destabilize' it by removing the option of 'regime change' without massive israeli casualties.
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                            • #15
                              How would iranian nukes ´destabilize the region´ as is often claimed?
                              Because of the insecurity it would forment in places like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Isreal on top of the fact that no one really trusts a theocracy with nukes.
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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