Gay,Bi-Sexual,Transgendered and Lesbian questions

[Dis]

let it be known I love gay men. Leaves more women for me. The opening sentence is probably one of those things you don't want to print on the internet as it will prevent you from being president some day. And now I'm old enough to run... In either case I was joking, I don't actually get women. But I can dream about it lol.

[Jon Miller]

Hint: They don't always match. That's the point here...

That's the point

in other cases where they don't match we send people to counseling

in this case we support them to mutilate themselves

JM

[MrFun]

A lot of people do just that, and sometimes with good reason, but I don't think the question even applies here. People who say they are 'straight acting' are saying just what they are and what they do, the point presumably being that they don't act or look like the stereotypical gay dude. I really can't see the problem here.



Probably not, and maybe that's because there's no need for anybody to find that stuff offensive?

"Straight acting" is personally offensive to me. If you don't find it offensive, good for you. Who are you to tell others what they should find to be offensive or non-offensive?

To me, there has already been too much heterosexist and homophobic pressure to conform and for gay men to feel ashamed of themselves. When I hear someone identify himself as being "straight acting" I'm just reminded of all the bull**** so many gay men seem to put themselves through because of our heterosexist or homophobic society.

It's up to each individual gay man when or if they should come out but to use the words "straight acting" is just bullsh*tting yourself and other people in my opinion. You're a gay man who is in the closet; okay, so when you explain that to other gay men, say you're in the closet instead of explaining it as being "straight acting."

[Monk]

That's the point

in other cases where they don't match we send people to counseling

in this case we support them to mutilate themselves

JM

Well, we don't send a poor man to counseling for feeling rich, or an ugly man for feeling attractive either. And as long as we're talking about adults I can't really see much of a problem here... it's not like we're forcing anything on them or they're forcing anything on us. And I'm sure you accept other kinds of cosmetic surgery even if it's for non-medical reasons.

[Monk]

"Straight acting" is personally offensive to me. If you don't find it offensive, good for you. Who are you to tell others what they should find to be offensive or non-offensive?

That question is a little silly, since you've always been good for the statement that nobody should be offended just because somebody else is gay. I'm not demanding you change anything, just expressing my view in hopes of some feedback. And your post and BG's post help to clarify where you're coming from in the matter, and thanks for that.

Basically I interpret this as another way of saying 'I don't subscribe to any lifestyle where I let my homosexuality define all that much', which might be a fairly relevant point in something like a dating profile. I still don't get why people using that term would be in the closet somehow, since it obviously implies (to me at least) that you're not straight, merely acting like one.

[Grandpa Troll]

One of the reaons I felt led or felt the urge of compelled to start this is because people often choose to accept ideals or lifestyles familiar and acceptable to their reasoning and experience.

Now please reread what I am meaning to communicate and convey:

I was abused terribly growing up, and to this day have nightmares. But not solely of the physical memories of pain received, no more about people adults who saw what was going on chose to view as simple childhood rites of passage. The mental torture and emotional anguish nearly drove me to suicide.

What I did gather from those horrific experiences was people try to define omething that is acceptable to the masses and not rock the boat.

If I chose that I want to be something that does not harm another person, is it illegal then why dopeople make such a fuss about it?

If two consenting adults chose something why does it become unacceptable in societies eyes?

In the neighbors eyes?

i would be willing to wager a lot goes on like spousal abuse, alcoholic affliction, emotional instability and anger uncontrolled that society views as oh thats sad but it continues but if a person chooses to want a lifestyle then they become some hideous monster in a close minded societal microscope.

I would thank those thus far that have viewed and contributed and encourage more input

Brother Bruce

[Riesstiu IV]

I have a question. Do godless queers spend eternity in hell or purgatory for their vile, sinful ways?

[Grandpa Troll]

I have a question. Do godless queers spend eternity in hell or purgatory for their vile, sinful ways?

Not exactly what I was hoping for in this discussion, but to be expected I reckon

[Riesstiu IV]

Don't worry! I was just joshing with you and hoping to fill in Ben's role.

[DaShi]

This thread has been going on nicely without him.

[Theben]

One of the reaons I felt led or felt the urge of compelled to start this is because people often choose to accept ideals or lifestyles familiar and acceptable to their reasoning and experience.

Now please reread what I am meaning to communicate and convey:

I was abused terribly growing up, and to this day have nightmares. But not solely of the physical memories of pain received, no more about people adults who saw what was going on chose to view as simple childhood rites of passage. The mental torture and emotional anguish nearly drove me to suicide.

What I did gather from those horrific experiences was people try to define omething that is acceptable to the masses and not rock the boat.

If I chose that I want to be something that does not harm another person, is it illegal then why dopeople make such a fuss about it?

If two consenting adults chose something why does it become unacceptable in societies eyes?

In the neighbors eyes?

i would be willing to wager a lot goes on like spousal abuse, alcoholic affliction, emotional instability and anger uncontrolled that society views as oh thats sad but it continues but if a person chooses to want a lifestyle then they become some hideous monster in a close minded societal microscope.

I would thank those thus far that have viewed and contributed and encourage more input

Brother Bruce

Because some people have very strong preconceptions about what other people are like. It helps to not know anything about them and/or have little contact, as well as being raised by your elders/peers that such people are, basically, sub-human. Why else would someone drag a person to death behind their pickup, or tie them to a fencepost after beating them within an inch of their life(other than they're evil)? You may not want to hear this, but wrt this subject it's religion and a twisted interpretation thereof that's responsible for a majority of the persecution of homosexuals. Someone awhile back decided "God hates fags" and skewed the bible to back up their hate, a lot of people decided to listen to him, and here we are.

[DanS]

Well, we don't send a poor man to counseling for feeling rich, or an ugly man for feeling attractive either. And as long as we're talking about adults I can't really see much of a problem here... it's not like we're forcing anything on them or they're forcing anything on us. And I'm sure you accept other kinds of cosmetic surgery even if it's for non-medical reasons.

Not so. As to the poor man feeling rich, we send him to credit counseling.

I agree with JM that we should draw a line with the mutilate of our bodies. On the other hand, I consider it a relatively minor sin. So many women go get boob jobs, after all.

[Grandpa Troll]

Don't worry! I was just joshing with you and hoping to fill in Ben's role.

Yeah, I was thinking your a nice guy and where did that remark come from

[Grandpa Troll]

Because some people have very strong preconceptions about what other people are like. It helps to not know anything about them and/or have little contact, as well as being raised by your elders/peers that such people are, basically, sub-human. Why else would someone drag a person to death behind their pickup, or tie them to a fencepost after beating them within an inch of their life(other than they're evil)? You may not want to hear this, but wrt this subject it's religion and a twisted interpretation thereof that's responsible for a majority of the persecution of homosexuals. Someone awhile back decided "God hates fags" and skewed the bible to back up their hate, a lot of people decided to listen to him, and here we are.

Oh I have no problem with your thoughts posted, i agree, people take the Bible and often twist it into a rod of their own correction and do heinous things, which are not of God.

I assure you I am not offend Theben and thanks for pointing out what is painful to see and otherwise to admit by some, not me, for I have seen fear turn into aggression which begats violent,unwarranted and unforgiveale actions

Brother Bruce

[Grandpa Troll]

This thread has been going on nicely without him.

Amen, and enjoy talks like this.